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Transferring Minelayers Sun, 25 May 2003 15:33 Go to next message
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A lot of discussion has gone before about what happens when SDs transfer minelayers to other races (do they still lay double mines, can they detonate remotely, etc. [answers = no to both IIRC]). I can't recall ever seeing anything about what happens if other races transfer their minelayers to an SD. Do they automatically start laying minefields at double rates? Can transferred minelayers create detonatable fields?

Why would anyone do this, anyway? It could be a quick way for an SD ally to gain significantly more minelayers in a short period of time than they could build on their own.

Anybody know the answers to this?

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Re: Transferring Minelayers Sun, 25 May 2003 17:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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EDog wrote on Sun, 25 May 2003 21:33

A lot of discussion has gone before about what happens when SDs transfer minelayers to other races (do they still lay double mines, can they detonate remotely, etc. [answers = no to both IIRC]). I can't recall ever seeing anything about what happens if other races transfer their minelayers to an SD. Do they automatically start laying minefields at double rates? Can transferred minelayers create detonatable fields?

Why would anyone do this, anyway? It could be a quick way for an SD ally to gain significantly more minelayers in a short period of time than they could build on their own.

Anybody know the answers to this?


I do. Grin Wink

Detonating minefields is exclusive to the SD PRT.

Laying mines on arrival is exclusive to the SD PRT.

Doubling the efficiency of the minelaying pods is HULL related.
(Like it says in the tech browser.)

Question

What happens when SDs transfer minelayers to other races?
-do they still lay double mines


Yes, if those minelayers are based on the MML and SML hull.
No, if those minelayers are of the commonly seen FF design.

Question

-can they detonate remotely



No, only an SD can detonate his minefields.

Question

What happens if other races transfer their minelayers to an SD.
-do they automatically start laying minefields at double rates?


No, the minelayers the other races build are not based on the MML and SML hull, and only those 2 hulls can double their efficiency.

Question

-can transferred minelayers create detonatable fields?


Yes, any standard minefield layed by a ship owned by an SD (even when the ship was transferred to the SD) can be detonated.

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mch

[Edit: added the lay on arrival part]
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Re: Transferring Minelayers Sun, 25 May 2003 17:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As far as I know it's the mine layer hulls that lay the extra mines. If an SD uses a different hull it only lays the regular amount of mines. Also, only SDs can have detonatable fields and only SDs can lay mines on the turn they move. But if you transferred minelayers to an SD the minefields would be able to detonate and they would be able to lay the mines on the turn they move. It's just like Transeferring any ship to an SS makes it at least 75% cloaked.


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Re: Transferring Minelayers Sun, 25 May 2003 17:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And last but not least. Or maybe it is least but not last? Confused The SD lays mines at half efficiency the first year after movement. So a frigate with one mine dispenser 50 would only lay 25 mines upon arrival and 50 mines every year after that it doesn't move. A hull with double minelaying would only lay single mines the first year of movement.


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Re: Transferring Minelayers Sun, 25 May 2003 23:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Micha wrote on Mon, 26 May 2003 06:01



Question

What happens when SDs transfer minelayers to other races?
-do they still lay double mines


Yes, if those minelayers are based on the MML and SML hull.




I thought I read somewhere that the SD MML and SML lost their double-laying ability when transferred to non-SD races.


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Re: Transferring Minelayers Mon, 26 May 2003 00:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Micha wrote on Sun, 25 May 2003 14:01

Yes, any standard minefield layed by a ship owned by an SD (even when the ship was transferred to the SD) can be detonated.

Why would any SD even WANT someone elses silly little frigate minelayers? You KNOW they'd quickly get blown up, as you forget to move them out of detonating minefields.

Detonating minefields are really cool. I like to sit with complete detonating minefield cover - nobody gets in or out except the special SD hulls.

With the transferred ships you'd have to stop the minefield detonations everywhere they went, lay the minefield and run like hell if you want to start the detonations up again immediately. Most people seem to like NRSE so the frigate would probably be equipped with the FM engine at best, and those frigates don't hold a lot of fuel, nor does the FM scoop much fuel. The frigates transferred would be a real pain in the butt, and a wasted slot for the SD.

I'm not sure I'd even want a transferred minelayer-nubian. If I'm an SD I think I'll make my own minelayers. But I just don't like using a ship design slot for a vessel I can't produce, anyways.



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Re: Transferring Minelayers Mon, 26 May 2003 11:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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zoid wrote on Mon, 26 May 2003 06:23

Micha wrote on Sun, 25 May 2003 14:01

Yes, any standard minefield layed by a ship owned by an SD (even when the ship was transferred to the SD) can be detonated.

Why would any SD even WANT someone elses silly little frigate minelayers? You KNOW they'd quickly get blown up, as you forget to move them out of detonating minefields.


I wouldn't have a clue why anybody would do that, just answering a question ... Wink

Quote:

I'm not sure I'd even want a transferred minelayer-nubian. If I'm an SD I think I'll make my own minelayers. But I just don't like using a ship design slot for a vessel I can't produce, anyways.


True, when you're SD your minelaying is probably always superior to everyone else, except maybe another SD, so transferring minelayers is wasting slots.
However other specialised designs are worth sacrificing a slot, like getting robber baron ships from an SS, or 98% cloacked pen scan scouts (type not hull) all over the place ... Hm, maybe a 98% cloacked rogue scanner+sweeper+minelayer would be an "alien" Grin minelayer design I would keep as SD, but here the minelaying would be secondary ...

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Re: Transferring Minelayers Mon, 26 May 2003 11:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I get confused over which ships are immune to minefield detonations. Is it only SD minelaying hulls? Are enemy SD minelaying hulls also immune?


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Re: Transferring Minelayers Mon, 26 May 2003 11:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Paladin wrote on Mon, 26 May 2003 17:02

I get confused over which ships are immune to minefield detonations. Is it only SD minelaying hulls? Are enemy SD minelaying hulls also immune?


Only the MML and SML are immune to the SD own detonations, not immune should another SD detonate his fields ...

But there is a bug about an SD with a higher or lower player # that is immune to the detonations of another SD ...
Can't remember what it was exactly, probably wrote it down somewhere and that's probably also the reason I forgot the details! Once I write something down it seems my memory decides that the info is safe to forget. Sad That's why I try to take notes as less as possible. Grin

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Re: Transferring Minelayers Tue, 27 May 2003 07:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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But there is a bug about an SD with a higher or lower player #
that is immune to the detonations of another SD ... Can't
remember what it was exactly


Lower player_ID SDs MML and SML are immune to higher player_ID
SD's minefield detonation.

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Re: Transferring Minelayers Tue, 27 May 2003 13:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That is quite a bug. Again in Stars, lower player numbers have an advantage.


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Re: Transferring Minelayers Tue, 27 May 2003 14:37 Go to previous message
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Paladin wrote on Tue, 27 May 2003 12:10

That is quite a bug. Again in Stars, lower player numbers have an advantage.

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