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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Sat, 08 February 2014 09:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
nmid

 
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1. grzeg-t
2. kicks - Andrea - Recd.
3. Mac1
4. skoormit - Recd.
5. theen - Ian - Recd.
6. Asmodai
7. fpunderl33t - Recd.
8. XAPBob - Recd[.




I know my minefields.. but I'm a chaff sweeper.
I used to curse when I got stuck in traffic... till I realised I AM traffic.

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Sun, 09 February 2014 00:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
fpunderl33t is currently offline fpunderl33t

 
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So what was the point of having a deadline? Are grzeg-t, Mac1 and Asmodai even serious about playing in this game?

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Sun, 09 February 2014 04:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
XAPBob is currently offline XAPBob

 
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I love deadlinesI especially love the noise they make as they go whooshing by...

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Sun, 09 February 2014 11:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mac1 is currently offline Mac1

 
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guys, I asked for an message when this game will be full, because i dont visit this forum too often.

I am interrested in playing but since the time i have signed in there have been few months and 7 pages of lack of decision. That's why i asked for above.

Looks like finally game is ready (i hope rules on previous page are final), so I will need a little time to prepare my race.

p.s.
If I understand good we are playing incognito ?
That means i need to generate some random race name ?


[Updated on: Sun, 09 February 2014 11:03]

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Sun, 09 February 2014 11:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
XAPBob is currently offline XAPBob

 
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Yep, random or just not "known"

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Sun, 09 February 2014 11:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
nmid

 
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Just use any AI race name, that should be sufficient to throw off the blood hounds.


I know my minefields.. but I'm a chaff sweeper.
I used to curse when I got stuck in traffic... till I realised I AM traffic.

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Sun, 09 February 2014 14:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
fpunderl33t is currently offline fpunderl33t

 
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Yeah take your time, nice to see you're still alive.

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Sun, 09 February 2014 15:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mac1 is currently offline Mac1

 
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submitted, didnt wanted to slow you down Razz

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Mon, 10 February 2014 07:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
nmid

 
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I've recd messages from all players and I expect the last few races will be submitted in the next 24 hours.
If anyone wants to make any changes to their submission, feel free.
I'll post when I have genned the game, so you can make changes till that time.

I'll be tentatively genning the universe on the 12th or the 13th... and then send it on to Ron.
Let Ron decide if he wants to show you some love by hosting it on the 14th Wink.


[Updated on: Mon, 10 February 2014 07:24]




I know my minefields.. but I'm a chaff sweeper.
I used to curse when I got stuck in traffic... till I realised I AM traffic.

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Wed, 12 February 2014 05:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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skoormit wrote on Thu, 17 October 2013 19:53

Standard cheat disclaimer
--Chaff allowed
--Split-fleet dodge allowed
--Heal after gating allowed
--Everything else under the "Player Exploitable Bugs" section of the Known Bugs list is cheating

Just reread the list and spotted two that I don't think are handled by this game:
- ISB trumps IT gate scanning
I presume we're not banning ISB???
- Mine Damage Allocation
I'd not consider this a cheat, unlike Mine Damage Dodge. If you have a DD and a fuel ship (a not unreasonable combination) then the only choice you have is which design has a lower slot number. That affects whether you "Dodge" or "Allocate" the damage.

I'm going to propose (in the bar) that ISB>IT be removed from "player exploitable", and that Allocation be described as not a bug.


[Updated on: Wed, 12 February 2014 05:19]

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Wed, 12 February 2014 09:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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XAPBob wrote on Wed, 12 February 2014 04:17
skoormit wrote on Thu, 17 October 2013 19:53

Standard cheat disclaimer
--Chaff allowed
--Split-fleet dodge allowed
--Heal after gating allowed
--Everything else under the "Player Exploitable Bugs" section of the Known Bugs list is cheating

Just reread the list and spotted two that I don't think are handled by this game:
- ISB trumps IT gate scanning
I presume we're not banning ISB???
- Mine Damage Allocation
I'd not consider this a cheat, unlike Mine Damage Dodge. If you have a DD and a fuel ship (a not unreasonable combination) then the only choice you have is which design has a lower slot number. That affects whether you "Dodge" or "Allocate" the damage.

I'm going to propose (in the bar) that ISB>IT be removed from "player exploitable", and that Allocation be described as not a bug.


Good point about the ISB thing being in the player exploitable list. I did not intend to ban ISB for this game. If anyone made their race under the assumption that ISB was banned, and would like an opportunity to revise, please let nmid know.

Regarding mine damage: A player has exploited the mine damage distribution of the game engine if he triggers a minefield hit with a mixed-design fleet that did not take the full damage of the minefield hit. Intentional exploits of this usually involve merging a single lower-slot chaff with a higher-slot sweeper, but for our purposes intent is irrelevant. Any minefield hit that makes some of the damage "disappear" is an instance of exploitation and should be brought to the attention of the host. The host will require the offending player to scrap sufficient ships in the exploiting fleet to make up the "disappeared" damage. The offending player will tell the host which ships he is scrapping, and the host will relay that information to players who have current scans of the fleet (including ship design details only for players who know the ship design already). Since these communications may take time and may impact decisions made by the other players, the host may extend the turn deadline in these cases.

Please try not to exploit mine damage. It can happen unintentionally, but if you do it over and over we will love you just a little bit less.




What we need's a few good taters.

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Wed, 12 February 2014 09:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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(post removed...posted my ISB reply here rather than in the new thread)

[Updated on: Wed, 12 February 2014 09:45]




What we need's a few good taters.

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Thu, 13 February 2014 05:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mac1 is currently offline Mac1

 
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what is ISB exploit ?
I never heard of that

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Thu, 13 February 2014 06:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you have ISB then an IT race can't use their 150/600 or any/800 gates to scan your gates (not just those on a special hull).
The other gates (100/250, any/300, 300/500, 100/any and any/any) will still scan your gates.

I consider it a coding error, rather than an exploit - hence my proposal in the bar to move it out of "player exploitable" bugs. It is significant, because for a long while the any/800 gate is the "only" gate you'd ever build as an IT. Having to get the tech for the 100/any in parallel, and then keep at least one such gate in operation is somewhat annoying for the IT.

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Thu, 13 February 2014 13:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
nmid

 
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Going through the pre-gen settings for the game, I noticed that I was one race short.
Relooking at the player list, I realised I mixed up grzeg-t and kicks...

I did not send grzeg a reminder message earlier... sent it to kicks by mistake.
I've now sent the reminder message to grzeg-t and I would like to wait till the weekend.

Has anyone been in touch with grzeg-t since his last message?





I know my minefields.. but I'm a chaff sweeper.
I used to curse when I got stuck in traffic... till I realised I AM traffic.

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Thu, 13 February 2014 16:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
grzeg-t

 
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Race fie sent.

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Fri, 14 February 2014 13:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
skoormit is currently offline skoormit

 
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Player list for the next game:

ludek (added 2/14)

host for the next game: skoormit



What we need's a few good taters.

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Mon, 17 February 2014 14:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
XAPBob is currently offline XAPBob

 
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2 host is having PC/router issues atm...

Game 2 will also require a hold this coming w/end - sorry about that...

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Mon, 17 February 2014 17:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I could not join the first game in november because I spent out the weekend and it would have delayed the game.
This is disappointing, 'cause we have turned the tables.


[Updated on: Mon, 17 February 2014 17:43]

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Tue, 18 February 2014 14:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
XAPBob is currently offline XAPBob

 
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Unfortunately we've all been sent files from the wrong gen... - nmid will be regenning in his morning (he's been having PC/router isssues)

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Tue, 18 February 2014 16:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
grzeg-t

 
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Why are we not using autohost?

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Tue, 18 February 2014 16:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
XAPBob is currently offline XAPBob

 
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we will, he just sent us all 2400 as well as sending to Ron

That's when I realised he'd used an older version of my race. 20% triimmune AR Wink


[Updated on: Tue, 18 February 2014 16:56]

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Tue, 18 February 2014 23:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
fpunderl33t is currently offline fpunderl33t

 
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XAPBob wrote on Mon, 17 February 2014 19:37
2 host is having PC/router issues atm...

Game 2 will also require a hold this coming w/end - sorry about that...


XAPBob wrote on Tue, 18 February 2014 19:37
Unfortunately we've all been sent files from the wrong gen... - nmid will be regenning in his morning (he's been having PC/router isssues)


XAPBob wrote on Tue, 18 February 2014 21:54
we will, he just sent us all 2400 as well as sending to Ron

That's when I realised he'd used an older version of my race. 20% triimmune AR Wink


Really XAPBob? So how come nmid hasn't said anything about the host and himself both coincidentally 'having PC/router issues' at the same time? Even if they really were having issues how would you know about it and why should you be the one to communicate this news? You're not the moderator.

As far as I'm concerned the moderator has emailed all our ATSR files for turn one so obviously there's nothing wrong with his PC/router, and now we're just waiting for the game to be posted on Autohost.

Your gamesmanship is weak, it's too late to change your race now, and your crack about the triimmune AR just was not funny. Have a nice day Smile


[Updated on: Wed, 19 February 2014 00:06]

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Wed, 19 February 2014 02:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
grzeg-t

 
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Regardless of XAPBob's gamesmanship (is there such word?), the game is broken. I have received a wrong race, tri-immune CA, and I'm 100% sure that's not what I sent. It also means I know someone's design, and I assume someone else could see my race.

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Re: All the Simple Races (...All the Simple Races) Wed, 19 February 2014 02:42 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
XAPBob is currently offline XAPBob

 
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nmid is the host - he has been having various issues (as anyone in lowtek would confirm).

His phone is still working, so I've been gtalking him over that connection (which isn't enough to reinstall a virtual machine on his freshly reinstalled PC).

No gamesmanship, just trying to let people not waste time.

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