| Agreement breaking |
Thu, 18 April 2013 04:34  |
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 Asmodai |
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I have possibly agreement breaking, but i want to be sure, before i slander somebody.
deal:
"We would like to propose this: either party should not send warships less than 82ly from the other party planets and include a 1 year >exit clause as well as obviously prevent attack with packets. Would either party send any kind of ships in the 82ly area, said ship would >be forfeiting protection and could be shot down at the other party discretion within the 82ly protection. In no way could one party >send ships in the aforementioned radius with the intent to attack another party planet, or attack another party planet even if they jump >from above 82ly. The 1 year exit clause would mean that the party wishing to exit the agreement would need to communicate his will >to the other party, _wait a full year before engaging the other party or entering the 82ly limit __after the communication to terminate >the agreement is received__, then be able to do as normal_. To be extra clear, you can't send an email and count that year you sent >the email at as the wait turn; it would be the next one."
Player that proposed this, shortly afterwards deployed warships less than 82ly from my planet. Despite warnings.
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| Re: Agreement breaking |
Thu, 18 April 2013 04:38  |
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It's breaking the agreement...
But are they warships or unarmed ships?
I know my minefields.. but I'm a chaff sweeper.
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| Re: Agreement breaking |
Thu, 18 April 2013 06:20 |
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| Asmodai |
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Quote:But are they warships or unarmed ships? Warships. Ie - armed ships. No exit clause nor any information about ending agreement from other side(owner of thouse warships).
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| Re: Agreement breaking |
Thu, 18 April 2013 06:45 |
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If you are talking about the same game as I'm thinking, I could check what you are talking about...
Want to share specifics?
I know my minefields.. but I'm a chaff sweeper.
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| Re: Agreement breaking |
Thu, 18 April 2013 07:00 |
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| Asmodai |
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PM sended
The funniest thing in the whole is that i got threatened that if i respond in force, i`ll be backstabber - which is completely absurd for me.
Thats why i want some neutral judgement here, before i slander someone in public.
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| Re: Agreement breaking |
Thu, 18 April 2013 15:14 |
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Hi ,
there are some more Questions about this :
- did the player follow other ships in his space and wants to intercept them ?
- are he following a fleet of one of your allies back in your space that you could attack with
a fleet already stay at the border ? ( would be a kind of backstabing )
- are you sure that the player see your planet and know's that he is in the 82 Lj ?
- How long do you have the arangment ? First time he moved in ships ?
- How big is the fleet ? Is it a shaff and you are in the Nubian timezone ?
And there are much more thinks to know.
ccmaster
PS : If I am not in the game I could have a look at it and tell YOU my meaning
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| Re: Agreement breaking |
Thu, 18 April 2013 16:49 |
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| skoormit |
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Asmodai wrote on Thu, 18 April 2013 14:36
Quote:What, exactly, is a "warship"? Any ship with a weapon on it? Do both parties agree to that definition? Hmm - from definition, i think that it will be "armed" ship. Unarmed scouts, minelayers or freighters or any vessel without weapon from definition is not "warship".
If his ships in question are jihad BBs, then clearly that's a warship. But if they are chaff, or throwaway sweepers, maybe he does not think those count as warships, even though they have weapons.
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| Re: Agreement breaking |
Thu, 18 April 2013 18:33 |
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XAPBob wrote on Fri, 19 April 2013 03:40Surely those ships (if inside 82ly of an X planet) had forfeit protection.
Colonisation wasn't mentioned...
But they were within 81 lys of both player's planets..
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| Re: Agreement breaking |
Fri, 19 April 2013 00:28 |
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| Asmodai |
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Quote:Which means that if somebody broke the agreement by putting ships there, Asmodai did it first. But i had only scouts and minelayers on contested planet(ie in 82ly radius from my and his planet). So not warships. Even after his colonization of planet that made our 82ly space overlapping.
Quote:But, it's a midway planet 75 LYs away from Asmodai planet and 71 LYs away from Player Contested planet is exactly 53,24 from my planet. Nmid - they were not shoot down(not thouse on orbit - i pulled them off seing that cruisers headint right into orbit and sweeping - i think that i described to you situation in PM). I had few scouts in space to patrol, and minelayer close to the border, and thouse were killed - after we signed ceasefire.
He deployed big group of cruisers and DD sweepers later, clearly with the intent to claim planet that is on my side, and is very close to my planets(within 60ly to be exact). Hopefully, all his ships forfeited protection so i can blast them out, wait for exit clause end and popdrop the planet legaly.
Quote:If his ships in question are jihad BBs W10 beamer cruisers - definitely warships, as this design is his main warship at this moment.
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| Re: Agreement breaking |
Fri, 19 April 2013 06:49 |
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Asmodai wrote on Fri, 19 April 2013 09:58
Quote:But, it's a midway planet 75 LYs away from Asmodai planet and 71 LYs away from Player
Contested planet is exactly 53,24 from my planet. Nmid - they were not shoot down(not thouse on orbit - i pulled them off seing that cruisers headint right into orbit and sweeping - i think that i described to you situation in PM). I had few scouts in space to patrol, and minelayer close to the border, and thouse were killed - after we signed ceasefire.
He deployed big group of cruisers and DD sweepers later, clearly with the intent to claim planet that is on my side, and is very close to my planets(within 60ly to be exact). Hopefully, all his ships forfeited protection so i can blast them out, wait for exit clause end and popdrop the planet legaly.
I didn't understand what 53,24 means... Unless you are talking about Genesis? I can't see if anyone occupies that planet.
I see H2SO4 as 75 LYs from Nickel, 72 LYs from Rye..
Even if you both are equidistant, the point remains that you both are within 81 lys of the planet and as this is a grey area, you
1. either talk and sort it out or
2. you go to war on it.
Checking the past few turns, I don't see any salvage diamonds around H2SO4..
I know my minefields.. but I'm a chaff sweeper.
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| Re: Agreement breaking |
Fri, 19 April 2013 12:54 |
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| Asmodai |
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Quote:unless you are talking about Genesis? Yep, i`m talking about Genesis. Settled few years before agreement was sealed.Right now, it is really immaterial. I already choosed my solution:)
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