The short version is that you keep bidding on one PRT at a time until you get one. Then, if someone else outbids you for that PRT, you resume bidding until you again have a PRT. Bidding ends when everyone has a PRT. Your race must use at least as many points as your bid on defenses.

This works for up to 8 players. Everyone will wind up playing a different race

In the first round of bidding, everyone submits a bid on one PRT. After all bids are in, I'll announce the winning amount for each PRT. (Ties go to the earlier bidder.) Everyone who lost a bid will participate in the next round of bidding, and so on until everyone has a PRT. If you won a PRT in a previous round, you can still be outbid for that PRT. In that case, you'll bid again next round. The last PRT chosen (and possibly a few others) will be won with a bid of 0. These races can spend leftover points (if any) on anything.

There can be many rounds of bidding, so here are a few other rules to make this go faster:
- Bids are in increments of 10 points.
- Bidding is e-bay style. You bid the max you're willing to pay.

You may need to incorporate restrictions such as no -f HE

Universe size and density will affect the worth of a race (e.g. PP or IT in a tiny universe - good/bad respectively I'd say) as will game parameters such as no alliances (WM without access to minefields, HE without access to gates, CA terraformers). Such considerations will also determine uptake - not many players get involved in large or huge games.

leonidas wrote on Sun, 24 February 2013 12:04

You may need to incorporate restrictions such as no -f HE

b) the -f HE shouldn't be banned in normal games at all (it's far from unbeatable and having no gates is a horrible disadvantage)

That universe size thing, whether or not you can have alliances, whether its single victory and the experience of the bidders themselves all affect this.

Ideally, the bidding should account for the first three points mentioned, but the fourth?

scottsch wrote on Sun, 24 February 2013 08:58

This works for up to 8 players. Everyone will wind up playing a different race

Can be done this way.
But if you want to allow a PRT to be used by several players this would be possible, too, with a slight alteration:
The highest bidder for a PRT MUST play this prt. For the same prize everybody else CAN play this prt (alternatively not everybody can play it for this prize but only also the 2nd highest bidder).

To make it even faster:
* host sets minimum bids for some PRTs

* altogether only 2 rounds of bidding

* PRTs with no bids can be played by everybody who hasn't successfully bought a PRT in the bidding process

I think if someone gets a good PRT cheaply because no one else recognizes its value, then that is an earned advantage.

scottsch wrote on Mon, 25 February 2013 20:01

I think if someone gets a good PRT cheaply because no one else recognizes its value, then that is an earned advantage.

This is the 4th point. A race gained too cheaply will unbalance the game. Bidders need to be sufficiently experienced to recognise this and force the bids up.

Hi ,

maybe make it a little bit easier. Give all player a fixed numbers of Points and they have to bet for all PRT.

After the fist Bet you have the Leftover-points for the Races and everybody could play the Race he wants for the Leftover-points they have.

Example :

All player have x Points and bet for all Races could look like that:

WM : Player 1-4 no bet Player 5 - 150 Player 6 - 70 Player 7 - 99 and Player 8 - 300
PP : Player 1 - 8 no bet
CA : Player 1 - 5 150 Player 6 and 7 220 and Player 8 (don't like CA ) 500
and so on...

So you could Play in the game
WM : 160 left over Points
PP : 0 left over Points
CA : 230 left over Points

Would make it much easier and the players could look what Race fits best to them now after seeing the leftover Points.
Also the players will not know what PRT the other plays what is a important thing for strategy.


Hope you understand what i want to say

ccmaster

ccmaster wrote on Wed, 27 February 2013 22:57

Hi ,

maybe make it a little bit easier. Give all player a fixed numbers of Points and they have to bet for all PRT.

After the fist Bet you have the Leftover-points for the Races and everybody could play the Race he wants for the Leftover-points they have.

Example :

All player have x Points and bet for all Races could look like that:

WM : Player 1-4 no bet Player 5 - 150 Player 6 - 70 Player 7 - 99 and Player 8 - 300
PP : Player 1 - 8 no bet
CA : Player 1 - 5 150 Player 6 and 7 220 and Player 8 (don't like CA ) 500
and so on...

So you could Play in the game
WM : 160 left over Points
PP : 0 left over Points
CA : 230 left over Points

Would make it much easier and the players could look what Race fits best to them now after seeing the leftover Points.
Also the players will not know what PRT the other plays what is a important thing for strategy.


Hope you understand what i want to say

ccmaster

Actually won't player 8 end up having the highest bids for both WM and CA in your eg?
Thus he would get the race that he bid most on (500 points) CA.
WM would go to the 2nd highest bid of 150 (or 160) points.

edit - and if he does decide to go for his other WM winning bid, then the 2nd player with 220 points will win the bid for CA.
Stops players from making inflated bids without paying for it

In the first round of bidding, everyone submits a bid on one PRT. After all bids are in, I'll announce the winning amount for each PRT. (Ties go to the earlier bidder.) Everyone who lost a bid will participate in the next round of bidding, and so on until everyone has a PRT. If you won a PRT in a previous round, you can still be outbid for that PRT. In that case, you'll bid again next round. The last PRT chosen (and possibly a few others) will be won with a bid of 0. These races can spend leftover points (if any) on anything.

@ OP,
Quote:

In the first round of bidding, everyone submits a bid on one PRT. After all bids are in, I'll announce the winning amount for each PRT. (Ties go to the earlier bidder.) Everyone who lost a bid will participate in the next round of bidding, and so on until everyone has a PRT. If you won a PRT in a previous round, you can still be outbid for that PRT. In that case, you'll bid again next round. The last PRT chosen (and possibly a few others) will be won with a bid of 0. These races can spend leftover points (if any) on anything.

So if 5 players are bidding, in round one they all can bid only for one race (say JOAT?) or can they all bid for any race but limited to only one bid?

edit - Also, if I win in the 1st round, can I bid again in round 2 (even if no one outbids me and makes me lose my race?). That would let me stop others from getting a cheap race?) However, what would happen if I do win?
In essence, if you win, you can't stop anyone else from getting a good deal on the remaining races...?

You can't bid when you currently have the high bid on a race. When someone outbids you, you can bid again (on a different race). *You* can't stop someone from getting a good deal on another race (until someone outbids you for the race you have); but the other players probably will.