Home World Forum
Stars! AutoHost web forums

 Jump to Stars! AutoHost

 
 
Home » Stars! 2.6/7 » The Academy » starbase build question
starbase build question Mon, 01 August 2011 21:14 Go to next message
knightpraetor is currently offline knightpraetor

 
Chief Warrant Officer 1

Messages: 154
Registered: October 2006
Not sure if this belongs here, but I was wondering if anyone could answer this.

If you have two starbases in queue on a planet without a starbase, it doesn't update the prices correctly, but I am hoping it doesn't try to spend the extra money to rebuild the stuff it already built. I just want confirmation rather than waste money on accident.

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Mon, 01 August 2011 22:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Void is currently offline Void

 
Ensign

Messages: 369
Registered: January 2011
Location: California, GMT -7
knightpraetor wrote on Mon, 01 August 2011 18:14

If you have two starbases in queue on a planet without a starbase, it doesn't update the prices correctly, but I am hoping it doesn't try to spend the extra money to rebuild the stuff it already built. I just want confirmation rather than waste money on accident.

You are correct; it prices the second starbase as if the first starbase hadn't been built. Assuming the second starbase is an extension of the first (you're adding components, not replacing any), then you can effectively subtract the costs to see if it will get built that year.

Regardless, you won't get double-charged, as it were. Go forth and build your bases!

Cheers,
Void

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Tue, 02 August 2011 05:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
magic9mushroom is currently offline magic9mushroom

 
Commander

Messages: 1361
Registered: May 2008
Do be careful when upgrading starbases, though. If the current one gets destroyed, you lose all progress toward the new one.

(Found that out the hard way when a planet lost its unarmed Dock one turn before the fully armed Ultra would have been up, and it didn't have enough minerals to build the Ultra a second time. Evil or Very Mad )

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Tue, 02 August 2011 06:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eagle of Fire

 
Lt. Commander

Messages: 809
Registered: December 2008
Location: GMT -5
 I confirm this, I do it all the time.

For example, if I was already building a SB or a dock or whatever at a planet and it was going slow enough to take several years and then I have a shield or gate upgrade or whatever and build a new version (which happen often early game), adding the new version after the first one which should be completed soon will work just like if you already had built the first version.

Sometimes upgrades cost very little when you already have a full SB up. This is often the case with shields, for example. A full upgrade can cost you only around 50-60 res while building the full SB from scratch can easily cost to the thousand res. By building the second version the same year than the first version (by making sure the second version is right after the first one in the build queue) then you can built the second version for uniformity and hopefully clear a SB design slot one year early.

STARS! Wiki
STARS! Wiki Français
I am on a hot streak... Literally.

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Tue, 02 August 2011 07:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
nmid

 
Commander

Messages: 1608
Registered: January 2011
Location: GMT +5.5
magic9mushroom wrote on Tue, 02 August 2011 14:52

Do be careful when upgrading starbases, though. If the current one gets destroyed, you lose all progress toward the new one.

(Found that out the hard way when a planet lost its unarmed Dock one turn before the fully armed Ultra would have been up, and it didn't have enough minerals to build the Ultra a second time. Evil or Very Mad )


Yea.. that's why I sent out 2 chaffs where ever possible, once we went to war Razz .

I prefer adding some beam weapons and shields to my basic bases for that reason (not exceeding 50% of the station cost), and then building up on that.

Even if it's a jump from one type of station to another, I still think the step-approach is better.

Nmid.

[Updated on: Tue, 02 August 2011 07:29]



I know my minefields.. but I'm a chaff sweeper.
I used to curse when I got stuck in traffic... till I realised I AM traffic.

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Tue, 02 August 2011 13:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eagle of Fire

 
Lt. Commander

Messages: 809
Registered: December 2008
Location: GMT -5
Quote:

I prefer adding some beam weapons and shields to my basic bases for that reason (not exceeding 50% of the station cost), and then building up on that.

Yup. I do that too. Though it is mainly just for exactly that: prevent someone to bring in a couple chaff and destroy my station! I usually only add only very basic weapons and shields. If someone send a real army, the SB or dock is going to fall anyways unless I have my own army there already.

STARS! Wiki
STARS! Wiki Français
I am on a hot streak... Literally.

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Tue, 02 August 2011 13:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BlueTurbit

 
Lt. Commander

RIP
BlueTurbit died Oct. 20, 2011

Messages: 835
Registered: October 2002
Location: Heart of Texas
 The army can only perform ground combat. It's the navy (ships, fleets) that defend your star bases. Rolling Eyes

BlueTurbit Country/Rock

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Tue, 02 August 2011 18:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eagle of Fire

 
Lt. Commander

Messages: 809
Registered: December 2008
Location: GMT -5
 That is only according to your backward "Earthling" standards. Laughing

STARS! Wiki
STARS! Wiki Français
I am on a hot streak... Literally.

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Tue, 02 August 2011 20:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BlueTurbit

 
Lt. Commander

RIP
BlueTurbit died Oct. 20, 2011

Messages: 835
Registered: October 2002
Location: Heart of Texas
 I know when we first colonized the Earth, we arrived in a ship from one of the fleets.
The navy sent us down to invade the planet in January.
And we were highly successful. That's why you don't see many Bigfoots anymore.
But, it was very cold, so we burned buffalo chips and used fleece to keep our armies warm. Sick

BlueTurbit Country/Rock

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Wed, 03 August 2011 11:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
slimdrag00n is currently offline slimdrag00n

 
Lieutenant
Helped track down one or more Stars bugs

Messages: 630
Registered: January 2009
Location: new york -5

Just thought Id double check that you are aware of this bug listed in the stars must know but don't use it as it could get you banned from the game.

Cheap Starbase:
If you build an EMPTY Star base on a planet which has no base yet, and finish it to 99%, then next turn you can still EDIT the design, add all the weapons and armor you like, and the base is still 99% finished. This means you only pay 1% of the full armed base, and 99% for the empty base.

......
Ranked games: 8-1
Recently won the game Knife Fight.
Looking for a practice duel.
.......

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Thu, 04 August 2011 18:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Greenstink is currently offline Greenstink

 
Chief Petty Officer

Messages: 76
Registered: January 2011
So does the Weapons Slot #1 on a Spacedock pay discount to the Weapons Slot #1 on a Starbaase design?

Da Orcs Smasha anz Brecka itz alz, Den wez drikz alz da stunty beer anz slepz

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Thu, 04 August 2011 19:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
magic9mushroom is currently offline magic9mushroom

 
Commander

Messages: 1361
Registered: May 2008
Greenstink wrote on Fri, 05 August 2011 08:04

So does the Weapons Slot #1 on a Spacedock pay discount to the Weapons Slot #1 on a Starbaase design?


No, it's an "identical components" thing IIRC.

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Fri, 05 August 2011 01:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
craebild is currently offline craebild

 
Lieutenant

Messages: 568
Registered: December 2003
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
magic9mushroom wrote on Fri, 05 August 2011 01:48

Greenstink wrote on Fri, 05 August 2011 08:04

So does the Weapons Slot #1 on a Spacedock pay discount to the Weapons Slot #1 on a Starbaase design?


No, it's an "identical components" thing IIRC.

IIRC it is identical component and same slot, so if you have 12 Collodials in slot 1 on the Spacedock and 12 Collodials in slot 1 on the Starbase, then the discount applies, while if you have 12 Collodials in slot 1 on the Spacedock but have them in slot 2 on the Starbase, then you pay full price.

Med venlig hilsen / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Christian Ræbild / Christian Raebild

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Fri, 05 August 2011 20:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
magic9mushroom is currently offline magic9mushroom

 
Commander

Messages: 1361
Registered: May 2008
craebild wrote on Fri, 05 August 2011 15:49

magic9mushroom wrote on Fri, 05 August 2011 01:48

Greenstink wrote on Fri, 05 August 2011 08:04

So does the Weapons Slot #1 on a Spacedock pay discount to the Weapons Slot #1 on a Starbaase design?


No, it's an "identical components" thing IIRC.

IIRC it is identical component and same slot, so if you have 12 Collodials in slot 1 on the Spacedock and 12 Collodials in slot 1 on the Starbase, then the discount applies, while if you have 12 Collodials in slot 1 on the Spacedock but have them in slot 2 on the Starbase, then you pay full price.

I dunno, but it's Colloidals, not Collodials.

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Fri, 05 August 2011 23:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
slimdrag00n is currently offline slimdrag00n

 
Lieutenant
Helped track down one or more Stars bugs

Messages: 630
Registered: January 2009
Location: new york -5

magic9mushroom wrote on Fri, 05 August 2011 20:51


I dunno, but it's Colloidals, not Collodials.


Troll


......
Ranked games: 8-1
Recently won the game Knife Fight.
Looking for a practice duel.
.......

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Sat, 06 August 2011 03:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
craebild is currently offline craebild

 
Lieutenant

Messages: 568
Registered: December 2003
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
magic9mushroom wrote on Sat, 06 August 2011 02:51


I dunno, but it's Colloidals, not Collodials.

Yes, it is Colloidals. I am sorry, but I was in a hurry 5 minutes before going out the door for work.

Med venlig hilsen / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Christian Ræbild / Christian Raebild

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Sat, 06 August 2011 04:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
iztok is currently offline iztok

 
Commander

Messages: 1206
Registered: April 2003
Location: Slovenia, Europe
 Hi!
craebild wrote on Fri, 05 August 2011 07:49

if you have 12 Collodials in slot 1 on the Spacedock but have them in slot 2 on the Starbase, then you pay full price.
IIRC when changing starbase type, you get max discount for EVERY slot, regardless where you have items. Also remmeber posting this here on AH, but can't find it now. Sad

You also get discount for everything existent, while in the same slot. The only case you don't get discount is when upgrading the same type of orbital, but using empty slots (e.g. first starbase has colloidals in slot 1 and slot 2 empty, the second design has first slot empty and Mark-IV blasters in second slot).

BR, Iztok

[Updated on: Sat, 06 August 2011 04:32]

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Sat, 06 August 2011 08:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BlueTurbit

 
Lt. Commander

RIP
BlueTurbit died Oct. 20, 2011

Messages: 835
Registered: October 2002
Location: Heart of Texas
 There is an older discussion about this here (iztok):
Understanding Base upgrade costs

And an interesting FAQ about Starbases:
Starbase FAQ

[Updated on: Sat, 06 August 2011 09:12]



BlueTurbit Country/Rock

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Sun, 07 August 2011 17:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
magic9mushroom is currently offline magic9mushroom

 
Commander

Messages: 1361
Registered: May 2008
slimdrag00n wrote on Sat, 06 August 2011 13:18

magic9mushroom wrote on Fri, 05 August 2011 20:51


I dunno, but it's Colloidals, not Collodials.


Troll



What? I see it around a lot and it's wrong. Am I wrong to correct people? Is it not one's duty to correct those who make mistakes?

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Sun, 07 August 2011 17:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BlueTurbit

 
Lt. Commander

RIP
BlueTurbit died Oct. 20, 2011

Messages: 835
Registered: October 2002
Location: Heart of Texas
magic9mushroom wrote on Sun, 07 August 2011 16:39

slimdrag00n wrote on Sat, 06 August 2011 13:18

magic9mushroom wrote on Fri, 05 August 2011 20:51


I dunno, but it's Colloidals, not Collodials.


Troll



What? I see it around a lot and it's wrong. Am I wrong to correct people? Is it not one's duty to correct those who make mistakes?

Duty? Are you a corrections officer?
Well, in that case, it's "don't know" not "dunno". Poke
Given that lots of people here are speaking English as a second language (like me), I think most are doing pretty darn good in their posts, and we mostly are very forgiving of the occasional slips.

BlueTurbit Country/Rock

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Sun, 07 August 2011 22:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
magic9mushroom is currently offline magic9mushroom

 
Commander

Messages: 1361
Registered: May 2008
Indeed.

However, you cannot learn to do right unless you first learn that what you're doing is not right.

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Mon, 08 August 2011 07:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
m.a@stars is currently offline m.a@stars

 
Commander

Messages: 2765
Registered: October 2004
Location: Third star to the left
BlueTurbit wrote on Sun, 07 August 2011 23:58

we mostly are very forgiving of the occasional slips.

There must also be some room for correcting spelling mistakes. Rolling Eyes

Heck, not so long ago I had to look up the helpfile to make sure what the right spelling for Collo-whatever was, after having seen it misspelt too many times. WTH

So many Stars, so few Missiles!

In space no one can hear you scheme! Deal

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Thu, 01 September 2011 07:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ForceUser is currently offline ForceUser

 
Lt. Junior Grade
Stars! Nova developer
Stars! Nova developer

Messages: 383
Registered: January 2004
Location: South Africa
 Correcting many trivialities can potentially lead to elitism and we don't want that now do we? Rolling Eyes

"There are two types of people in the world. AR players and non-AR players" Nick Fraser

Working on some new stuff: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/stars-nova/index.php?t itle=Graphics
And the Mentor Database www.groep7.co.za/Mentor/ ZOMGWTFBBQ!! it still works lol!
Check out my old site with old pics at www.groep7.co.za/Stars/

Report message to a moderator

Re: starbase build question Thu, 01 September 2011 15:12 Go to previous message
m.a@stars is currently offline m.a@stars

 
Commander

Messages: 2765
Registered: October 2004
Location: Third star to the left
 Heck, no. Everybody needs a handy excuse to break poorly-worded NAPs! Twisted Evil


So many Stars, so few Missiles!

In space no one can hear you scheme! Deal

Report message to a moderator

Previous Topic: Automating gameplay
Next Topic: Planet files
Goto Forum:
  


Current Time: Sun Apr 28 18:20:00 EDT 2024
.:: Contact :: Home ::.

Powered by: FUDforum 3.0.3.
Copyright ©2001-2011 FUDforum Bulletin Board Software