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nmid wrote on Sun, 10 July 2011 19:05

Taking you up on the "realistic" approach.

Excellent!

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Once both of them are 25%, I would look at other planets nearby, keeping these 2 as breeders.

Now you get to the interesting part and go elsewhere.

Finding and filling new planets is easy. What I'm looking for is the optimal algorithm for topping off two planets, which are in close proximity to one another.

Do I get them both up to 33%, then use the breeder to top off the other one? Or is there a better approach? Either way, what's the best way to top off the breeder? Hold 'x' colonists in orbit until I reach max pop - the hold number, then drop them back down?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Cheers,
Void

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Hmm... 45%. Dunno why I thought it was 48%.
Thanks Iztok.

505k at 45% with 4950kt..
So, I would still keep one at 25%, get the 2nd to 45%, then use the growth to get the 1st at 45% as well.
Saves about a year or two of growth, and gives me something to do in the game as well

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Hi!

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Hmm... 45%. Dunno why I thought it was 48%.

C'mon. Those 1200 pop difference will not win you the game, especially when not every breeder will have 100% hab. The held level at a bit less than a half of max pop was always enough for me.

BR, Iztok

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iztok wrote on Mon, 11 July 2011 00:47

Hi! Quote: Hmm... 45%. Dunno why I thought it was 48%. C'mon. Those 1200 pop difference will not win you the game, especially when not every breeder will have 100% hab. The held level at a bit less than a half of max pop was always enough for me.

True, but I did ask for the optimal approach. If I know what the absolute best is, I (or any player) can then decide how ardently we have to follow it.

But you're right, the 1200 (or 3300) pop difference isn't going to amount to much.

Cheers,
Void

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I withdraw my last opinion.
Boosting one world to max first gets you more resources faster for about a dozen years, but then the two world at 33% method gets you to max resources about a dozen years sooner.

So choose which is better. More resources sooner, or max resources sooner. Depends on what the neighborhood is like.

Max two planets test
Race 1 is the max one world first method, race 2 is the hold both at 33% method.

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Hmmm, I'd try what could be called "the middle road":

let each world grow on its own, until at least one of them climbs past optimal growth and starts growing noticeably slower.

Then use the one with either less minerals/factories or better growth to top the other. That should keep the "breeder" growing at a reasonable speed, while the other would grow at least twice as fast as it would if left alone.

Load a few last transports from the breeder just to make it grow faster to the point where those same transports can fill it up.

By the way, BlueTurbit's link seems broken.

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BlueTurbit wrote on Mon, 11 July 2011 12:45

So choose which is better. More resources sooner, or max resources sooner. Depends on what the neighborhood is like.

That's exactly what I was looking for! Well, mostly. I think the best way for me to get a feel for the different break points are to try them out for myself.

I really appreciate you testing both options out. Very helpful, indeed!!!

Cheers,
Void

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Not so sure with more than one planet and the possibility of using some to fill others. The easiest way's probably to fill one at a time rather than hold vast amounts of pop in freighters (the amount of resources you'll expend holding that much pop is itself probably more than the amount you'll save).

BlueTurbit wrote on Tue, 12 July 2011 04:18

That's what I would do. By maximizing the pop on planet two, and holding the pop on planet one to about 33%. Why? Because planet two is not only growing in pop resources, but also building factories and mines (more resources) to maximum during that period. So you will end up with 1300 or so more resources by the time planet two is maxed out, versus holding both worlds at 33% and loading all excess pop to freighters. Those freighter pop are wasting resources during that growth period.

I solved this problem. The answer (if not holding pop in freighters) is rather simple (assuming the formula on the wiki is correct)...

Let them grow to 2/3 (67%) each, then fill planet 2 completely from planet 1 (stripping planet 1 down to 1/3).

Reasoning:

- if not holding pop in freighters, the only relevant criterion to maximise is pop growth (unless you're AR, which is a whole different can of worms).

- the point at which one should start using different amounts of pop on the two planets is the inflection point of the growth curve with amount of pop.

- this inflection point is at 2/3.

- Hence, below 2/3, one gets less growth if you put more pop on one planet and less on the other, while above 2/3, one gets more growth if you put more pop on one planet and less on the other.

- Hence, below 2/3, the best growth is obtained by keeping pop on the two worlds equal (ie, just letting it grow), while after that, growth is maximised by keeping more pop on one planet than the other (and since 2/3 is halfway between 1/3 and 100%, you can simply fill one on the spot).

- This analysis is only valid for planets of equal value. If they're of unequal value, then you should always have more population on the worse world. How much? It varies.

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magic9mushroom wrote on Wed, 13 July 2011 13:42

What did you do with that race, anyway?

From the looks of it, no pop was lifted (from the last planet) once its growth slowed down, so no extra spur to top it in a snap.

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