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Why is a right-shifted hab cheaper than a left? Sat, 25 June 2011 17:38 Go to next message
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 In the race wizard, right-shifted habs appear cheaper than left-shifted habs. Strategic implications aside, is there something about the distribution of planets that makes left or right shifting better or worse? Or is it simply one of those strange behaviors of Stars?

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Re: Why is a right-shifted hab cheaper than a left? Sat, 25 June 2011 20:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 It's one of those oddities. Rolling Eyes

As far as anyone who has studied the matter knows, planet habs are evenly distributed, right, left and center. Deal

There's a bit of a spike in the mineral concentrations, tho, where planets with habs to the right tend to get slightly more minerals. Sherlock

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Re: Why is a right-shifted hab cheaper than a left? Sat, 25 June 2011 20:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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m.a@stars wrote on Sat, 25 June 2011 17:01

There's a bit of a spike in the mineral concentrations, tho, where planets with habs to the right tend to get slightly more minerals. Sherlock


So there's actually a benefit to taking right shifted habs? That is odd.

C'est la vie!

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Re: Why is a right-shifted hab cheaper than a left? Sat, 25 June 2011 20:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 I suspect it was a deliberate false valuation...and it does bear out, left shifted races have less territory arguments (IME)

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Re: Why is a right-shifted hab cheaper than a left? Sat, 25 June 2011 20:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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gible wrote on Sat, 25 June 2011 17:39

I suspect it was a deliberate false valuation...and it does bear out, left shifted races have less territory arguments (IME)

I have to admit, I find the 'deliberate' aspect a bit hard to swallow, but I can see why it would be easier to grab left shifted planets. Could make it worth the cost...

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Re: Why is a right-shifted hab cheaper than a left? Sat, 25 June 2011 22:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Void wrote on Sun, 26 June 2011 02:33

So there's actually a benefit to taking right shifted habs? That is odd.

Yup. Small, but noticeable if you look hard enough. Going insane

Also, with the Jeffs it's not easy to guess what was intentional and what wasn't. Confused

[Updated on: Sat, 25 June 2011 22:45]



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Re: Why is a right-shifted hab cheaper than a left? Tue, 19 July 2011 19:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 The following charts:
* Charts of habitability spread and mineral concentrations by Alan L. Kolaga
show that for temp and grav the extreme last clicks left and right give you less planets than the more centered clicks.

It also shows that this is not true for rad. But for radiation in the exteme right corner you get statistically a better mineral concentration.

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Re: Why is a right-shifted hab cheaper than a left? Tue, 19 July 2011 19:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Altruist wrote on Tue, 19 July 2011 16:23

The following charts:
* Charts of habitability spread and mineral concentrations by Alan L. Kolaga
show that for temp and grav the extreme last clicks left and right give you less planets than the more centered clicks.

It also shows that this is not true for rad. But for radiation in the exteme right corner you get statistically a better mineral concentration.

I knew about the trapezoidal distribution for Gravity and Temp, but the heightened mineral concentrations are very interesting. So you get better MCs and have to spend less RW points. Go figure!

Thanks for sharing Altruist; good stuff.

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Re: Why is a right-shifted hab cheaper than a left? Wed, 20 July 2011 12:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 Also your pop dont die with the RadRam if you have high narrow rad.
Maybe the Jeffs came from a high rad planet? Razz


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Re: Why is a right-shifted hab cheaper than a left? Wed, 20 July 2011 13:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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joseph wrote on Wed, 20 July 2011 18:02

Maybe the Jeffs came from a high rad planet? Razz


Perhaps they came from a low rad planet, and Earth's Radiation impacted negatively their right minds. Raining

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Re: Why is a right-shifted hab cheaper than a left? Fri, 23 September 2011 14:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 Notice that the cost difference is not present before 14/13/15 clicks from centre, and that some clicks are redundant (e.g. 0.17g). The last nine clicks of grav and temp are worth increasingly less, and the last click of rad is worth nothing. The same diminishing returns on number of planets within a range also reduces the effectiveness of terraforming through those clicks (as you will encounter that number fewer planets within that range and perform less terra for the research cot to make it available). Nine clicks grav and temp plus 7 for basic terra puts a race outside of the cost difference between left and right shifted hab.

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Re: Why is a right-shifted hab cheaper than a left? Mon, 17 October 2011 16:09 Go to previous message
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 It's a rounding effect in the way the wizard calculates the desirability of your chosen hab - by summing up the hab values of lots of evenly spaced planetary habs in your chosen hab scheme.

[Updated on: Tue, 18 October 2011 15:47]

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