| Scanner-plotted path. |
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Is the path you see the path a ship took last turn or the path it appears to be on this turn?
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| Re: Scanner-plotted path. |
Sun, 20 March 2011 23:32  |
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| magic9mushroom wrote on Mon, 21 March 2011 07:14 |
Is the path you see the path a ship took last turn or the path it appears to be on this turn?
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The path it took last turn.
Which would explain why people sometimes jump only 1 year at a time, to confuse beady-eyed neighbors.
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| Re: Scanner-plotted path. |
Mon, 21 March 2011 02:04 |
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| magic9mushroom wrote on Mon, 21 March 2011 10:55 |
| nmid wrote on Mon, 21 March 2011 14:32 |
| magic9mushroom wrote on Mon, 21 March 2011 07:14 |
Is the path you see the path a ship took last turn or the path it appears to be on this turn?
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The path it took last turn.
Which would explain why people sometimes jump only 1 year at a time, to confuse beady-eyed neighbors.
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So the "it was here last turn" tick is always accurate, then?
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It has worked for me, in all my backtracking checks I've done.
Of-course, a double confirmation from the pro's would be nice.
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| Re: Scanner-plotted path. |
Mon, 21 March 2011 09:39 |
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| wasp |
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| magic9mushroom wrote on Mon, 21 March 2011 07:25 |
So the "it was here last turn" tick is always accurate, then?
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Not if the fleet moved less than warp*warp ly for any reason.
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| Re: Scanner-plotted path. |
Mon, 21 March 2011 17:16 |
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| Eagle of Fire | 
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So the "it was here last turn" tick is always accurate, then?
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Nope, it is not.
Another nice trick I learned from Micha.
Edit: Well, to be clearer, yes the game works as intended and well. Simply that there is ways around this if you are cunning enough.
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| Re: Scanner-plotted path. |
Tue, 22 March 2011 14:22 |
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I saw that coming..
Anyone else here who could illuminate, please?
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| Re: Scanner-plotted path. |
Tue, 22 March 2011 15:38 |
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| Daniel wrote on Wed, 23 March 2011 00:45 |
| nmid wrote on Wed, 23 March 2011 05:22 |
I saw that coming..
Anyone else here who could illuminate, please?
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Not sure if this is the strategy being discussed but from what I can figure it would go like this:
Between the fact that you can hide your direction of travel by star jumping and that you can make short hops at speed to appear to have come from a different direction it would not be hard to fake the direction you came from. Any year you do not end at a star, head in a direction which is away from your fake starting location. You may need to fake two or more starts and tac to acheive your desired destination if there are long distances between stars. You do not need to move far off course in one tac. If you go 10 ly at warp 10 your direction of travel indicator will point 100 ly behind you. You could renumber your fleets (split and remerge) between turns to make it even harder to track them. With stops behind stars and a bit of stealth this could make it very difficult to determine where your fleets are originating from without a lot of manual effort to track them, thereby protecting your production centers from targeted strikes.
There are probably some tricks that an experienced player would pick up to make this process more efficient. I could see this being very effective in a small game. It would take a lot of micro management in a large game to pull this off. The best defence against this would be lots of penetrating scanners.
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hmm.. for direction obfuscation that will work only when the enemy will spot the fleet in the 2nd year of travel.
Thanks for the line of thought and your 2nd point of moving 10 LY at warp10, to confuse the point of origin.
That will be something nice to play around with as well as keeping it in mind while back-tracking other fleets.
I now have to figure out how to use the "integer coordinate system" in order to show a fake origin point, in the 1st year of travel.
i.e. moving in such a way that even if it is backtracked 100LY, my origin point will not lie on the plotted path.
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| Re: Scanner-plotted path. |
Tue, 22 March 2011 17:42 |
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| gible wrote on Wed, 23 March 2011 01:11 |
| nmid wrote on Wed, 23 March 2011 08:38 |
I now have to figure out how to use the "integer coordinate system" in order to show a fake origin point, in the 1st year of travel.
i.e. moving in such a way that even if it is backtracked 100LY, my origin point will not lie on the plotted path.
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The Stars! Calculator Interception section can do that for you 
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hmmm... you are right, but how many would refer to stars calculator for past travel, when stars! already shows it to them.
The MM will be too high for them on a regular basis.
I would generally use it only for future travel.
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Speaking of Stars Cal, I'm assuming you are talking about a,b,? method. How will you know a?
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Finally, consider a enemy with full scanning, no planet hopping (or full pen-scanning)... can you hide your point of origin in the 1st year?
Planet hoping and 2 year jumps, would not work in case the fleet is under scanner coverage in the 1st year.
edit - stars cal a,b.
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