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Wormhole and minefield cloaking + wormhole decay ?

Fri, 11 March 2011 13:44

craebild

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I would like to know the answers to a few questions. I am sure the answers can be found somewhere on HWF or the Wiki, but I haven't been able to find them. Perhaps I just haven't looked thoroughly enough...

Wormholes cannot be detected to full scanning range as they act as if cloaked, but just what is the cloaking percentage ?

Minefields also cannot be detected to the full scanning range, but what are the rules for detecting minefields ? I know a minefield can be seen if you have a ship within the minefield, but if you don't have a ship within the minefield, what then ?

I also know there are certain rules as to how fast a wormhole decays, but I don't remember the exact rules, could someone help me here ?

Med venlig hilsen / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Christian Ræbild / Christian Raebild

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Re: Wormhole and minefield cloaking + wormhole decay ?

Fri, 11 March 2011 14:10

nmid

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craebild wrote on Sat, 12 March 2011 00:14

http://wiki.starsautohost.org/wiki/Wormhole_Navigation
75% for Wormholes. Once spotted, you know they are there.
I learnt that the hard way.

As for minefields, 75% and/or if you can scan their centre and once spotted, you know they are there.

From the stars help file.

Quote:

A mine field is 75%
cloaked if you haven't seen it before. Minefields are always cloaked 75% from non-penetrating scanners.

You can see both the center and radius of another player's minefield under these circumstances:

� The center of the minefield is in range of your penetrating scanner, OR

� You have hit the minefield at least once and the center is in range of your normal scanners. OR

� You are currently IN the mine field.

Didn't know about a wormhole decay formula, though I guess there will be one ...

Edit - Formatting.

[Updated on: Fri, 11 March 2011 14:11]

I know my minefields.. but I'm a chaff sweeper.
I used to curse when I got stuck in traffic... till I realised I AM traffic.

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Re: Wormhole and minefield cloaking + wormhole decay ?

Sat, 12 March 2011 03:28

neilhoward

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I have read that wormhole ends both independently move and degrade in stability, but there have been differing opinions. I have an old rgcs post bookmarked somewhere with a more extensive test, but I do not recall it ever getting to a "the guts of..." standard of explanation. I will keep looking.

Here is something I found in a proto order of events thread:

Graham Scarborough wrote on Dec 26 1999

Whilst the rest of the family slept off the
Christmas Lunch I did a little 'Wormhole
Watching'

This was done in the J Patch RC2 in a Small
Universe where 3 wormhole 'pairs' were observed

The wormhole stability goes in the following scale :

Rock Solid
Stable
Mostly Stable
Average
Slightly Volatile
Volatile
Extremely Volatile

I observed each of the 6 holes through at least one
full 'cycle' each.

I judged a cycle to begin in the year that a wormhole
jumped a significant distance.

In every case (a total of 15 cycles), the year that
the jump occurred, the wormhole gained the status of
'Rock Solid'

In general terms the wormhole gradually decayed from
rock solid through to Extremely volatile, before
jumping to a new location and regaining the rock solid
status.

The most common cycle (8 out of 15) consisted of :

10 or 15 years at Rock Solid
5 years at Stable
5 years at Mostly Stable
5 years at Average
5 years at Slightly Volatile
5 years at Volatile
followed by "a number of" years at Extremely volatile
(anywhere between 1 and 68 years in the tests I did ! )

50% of the wormholes observed spent 10 years at Rock
Solid and 50% spent 15 years at Rock Solid.

The remaining 7 cycles aborted early somewhere between
Stable and Volatile i.e. the wormhole jumped and regained
Rock Solid status before the 'regulation' 5 years had
elapsed at one of the intermediate stabilities

I did not observe any wormhole with a Rock Solid status
making a jump.

Only a small test but some pretty strong patterns have
emerged.

Hope this helps

Graham

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Re: Wormhole and minefield cloaking + wormhole decay ?

Sat, 12 March 2011 05:58

craebild

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Yes neilhoward, that helps...

I remember reading a post going into more detail about it, but that post was very close to what you have from rgcs.

The posting I remember reading gave a probability per year for the wormhole to jump instead of jittering, starting at a low probability for a stable one to a high probability for an extremely volatile. I think the probability for an extremely volatile wormhole to jump was listed as 80% or 85% per year, so it would be extremely rare for a wormhole to stay at extremely volatile for 68 years.

Med venlig hilsen / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Christian Ræbild / Christian Raebild

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Sat, 12 March 2011 06:09

nmid

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@craebild, I helped too Sad

Btw, I was checking your new game announcement, how come there aren't any game stories for your completed Wheel-of-life I or II?

@neil, could you tell me where you found that information?
I would like to know so that I could refer to it as well, for other questions I might have.
Thanks.

I know my minefields.. but I'm a chaff sweeper.
I used to curse when I got stuck in traffic... till I realised I AM traffic.

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Sat, 12 March 2011 06:21

craebild

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nmid wrote on Sat, 12 March 2011 12:09

@craebild, I helped too Sad

Sorry nmid, you helped too, of course. Thanks for the help both of you.

As for there not being any game stories for the Wheel of Life I-III games, it seems no one wrote a game story for any of those games Sad

Med venlig hilsen / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Christian Ræbild / Christian Raebild

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Re: Wormhole and minefield cloaking + wormhole decay ?

Sat, 12 March 2011 09:44

m.a@stars

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nmid wrote on Sat, 12 March 2011 12:09

@neil, could you tell me where you found that information?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.computer.stars/topi cs

So many Stars, so few Missiles!

In space no one can hear you scheme! Deal

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Re: Wormhole and minefield cloaking + wormhole decay ?

Sat, 12 March 2011 09:47

nmid

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m.a@stars wrote on Sat, 12 March 2011 20:14

nmid wrote on Sat, 12 March 2011 12:09

@neil, could you tell me where you found that information?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.computer.stars/topi cs

Thanks m.a.. but that sure is a cess pool :s
Good thing I came across HWF 1st Smile

I know my minefields.. but I'm a chaff sweeper.
I used to curse when I got stuck in traffic... till I realised I AM traffic.

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Sat, 12 March 2011 10:28

donjon

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nmid wrote on Sat, 12 March 2011 08:47

m.a wrote on Sat, 12 March 2011 20:14

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.computer.stars/topi cs

Thanks m.a.. but that sure is a cess pool :s
Good thing I came across HWF 1st Smile

Yes, but there are gems in that cesspool...
LRT: Wormhole Cowboy

Laughing

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Sat, 12 March 2011 11:45

m.a@stars

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nmid wrote on Sat, 12 March 2011 15:47

Thanks m.a.. but that sure is a cess pool :s

It wasn't that bad back in the old days. Plus, it's about the most complete repository of threads, ideas and info about Stars! Deal

Sometimes I wonder if someone should mirror all these irreplaceable posts somewhere safer. Rolling Eyes

So many Stars, so few Missiles!

In space no one can hear you scheme! Deal

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Re: Wormhole and minefield cloaking + wormhole decay ?

Sat, 12 March 2011 20:42

neilhoward

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nmid wrote on Sat, 12 March 2011 03:09

@craebild, I helped too Sad

Bloody helpfull. $#*@% Chief Petty Officer in two months of posts! Arguing 3

I had to start a dozen flame wars to get that far.

nmid wrote on Sat, 12 March 2011 03:09

@neil, could you tell me where you found that information?
I would like to know so that I could refer to it as well, for other questions I might have.
Thanks.

Here is a thread tree I have been mining recently: http://starsautohost.org/sahforum/index.php?t=tree&th=23 79&mid=24413&rid=1205&S=7b2560447b73370f55260b58 ba025f42&rev=&reveal=
See the link in the top post for more wormhole goodness.

If you have not looked at http://www.starsfaq.com it has bunches of info on guts and tactics.

[Updated on: Sat, 12 March 2011 20:49]

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Sun, 13 March 2011 11:54

nmid

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neilhoward wrote on Sun, 13 March 2011 07:12

nmid wrote on Sat, 12 March 2011 03:09

@craebild, I helped too Sad

Bloody helpfull. $#*@% Chief Petty Officer in two months of posts! Arguing 3

I had to start a dozen flame wars to get that far.

nmid wrote on Sat, 12 March 2011 03:09

@neil, could you tell me where you found that information?
I would like to know so that I could refer to it as well, for other questions I might have.
Thanks.

lol, I guess I've got Xyligun to thank for most of my posts Disco

btw, WH behaviour (split from "Stars! Order of Events")
has got all the information craebild wanted.

Thanks for those links.. been trying to find some time to read it up, but I guess I should space it out.
I'm finally getting overwhelmed with the information overload.. Crying or Very Sad