I usually use 7 fleets scrapping on my ally's planet (94.10%), but with WP1 scrapping orders, my scrappers didn't scrap over my ally's planet the same year. They only scrap as WP0 orders.

I need to transfer Weap 10. Ally is at Weap8.

That means that I build ships in
2427 - Ships built
2428 - Ships move and WP1 fails
2429 - WP0 scrap and they get a tech (Weap9).
2430 - WP0 scrap of 2nd fleet and they get Weap10.

With a wolf/lamb
2427 - Ships built
2428 - Ships move and meet ally wolf that has "specific attack orders". Battle commences and they get tech (Weap9) in 2428 itself.
2429 - WP0 scrap of 2nd fleet, so they get next level of tech too. (Weap10).

So first question :
If I'm allied to someone, can he still have his ships shoot down my ships with targetted orders and will tech transfer happen?

Second question :
Also are the chances of tech exchange still the same or are they different?
For scrapping -
1 fleet is 33.26%
7 fleets are 94.10%
10 fleets are 98.25%

Do they apply for wolf/lamb as well?

Third & Final Question :
Ten fleets (single ship) getting blown up in 10 different locations
are same as
10 fleets (10 fleets of 1 ship each) getting blown up in 1 location ?

I'm confused, my horses are confused, my ancestors are confused.

[Updated on: Thu, 10 March 2011 03:52]

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nmid wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 10:58

Do ships not scrap at non-owner planets with WP1 tasks? Secondary question : that means wolf/lamb is faster than scrapping.

Scrap is a Waypoint0-only task.

yeah, wolf-lamb can be faster for just the reasons you outlined.

popdrop exchanges can be even faster.

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m.a@stars wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 19:58

nmid wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 10:58 Do ships not scrap at non-owner planets with WP1 tasks? Secondary question : that means wolf/lamb is faster than scrapping. Scrap is a Waypoint0-only task. yeah, wolf-lamb can be faster for just the reasons you outlined. popdrop exchanges can be even faster.

Headslap. I had checked the order of events, but I didn't read point 1. Scrapping fleets.
Thanks for pointing it out.

As for popdrop exchanges being faster, could you share what would be the best way to do it?
(w.r.t how many planets would be ideal, if there are just 2-3 tech level differences) and
(I would imagine even number of planets, with each player occupying half of the planets)

I imagine you and your ally would have a MF/Priv on top of a colonised world with just 10kt colo and keep dropping 10kt of colo each turn.
Disadvantage would be that you can't decide what tech you are exchanging.

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nmid wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 15:39

As for popdrop exchanges being faster, could you share what would be the best way to do it?

I meant faster in the delay between Researching a tech and being able to share it. You can check the details here: http://starsfaq.com/tech_trade.htm (warning, there's a couple typos)

Obviously, the more planets/ships you use, the faster you can share all techs. But that has its costs too.

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I imagine you and your ally would have a MF/Priv on top of a colonised world with just 10kt colo and keep dropping 10kt of colo each turn.

Popdrops usually number 200-400 colonists, so even Colony ships can be used for the task.

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Disadvantage would be that you can't decide what tech you are exchanging.

Yup, but then you should be coordinating what to Research with your partners anyway.

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Eagle of Fire wrote on Fri, 11 March 2011 05:21

You should find this interesting. Why there is a T missing in this title, I don't know. But it might prevent people from finding this article so that's why I link it here. In any other case I'd simply mention it is on the wiki and allow only those who like to search for themselves to find what they seek. In this case it would not be fair though.

nmid wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 15:28

Thanks for the site reference. http://wiki.starsautohost.org/wiki/Guts_of_ech_trading

Yea.. guess my link got hidden in the way I wrote my post.

Thanks for pointing out the link again, though

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