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Try here

Also...nice work

hmm...it seems the tooltips are broken on the wiki...(the ship designs). The probe design is here

Which I got from Blue Turbit's Stars! Tech Manual.

[Updated on: Thu, 13 January 2011 04:27]

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gible wrote on Thu, 13 January 2011 10:04

The probe design is here

"There are no pages that link to this file."

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Thank you for the design of the MT Probe

I will add it as soon as I can.

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m.a@stars wrote on Thu, 13 January 2011 23:57

gible wrote on Thu, 13 January 2011 10:04 The probe design is here "There are no pages that link to this file."

There are, as shown by this but they're in the tooltips that pop up when you hover over the images for the three ships, which are broken

Eagle of Fire wrote on Fri, 14 January 2011 16:46

Less images stored up, less space taken on the server... And as long as the images are cached up in someone browser, less bandwith for the site too.

Unless people start uploading .bmps the images don't take up much room or bandwidth really and you can easily make templates for existing images. A set of templates for ship designs could be useful, but honestly I don't think they'd be worth the effort compared to just taking a screenshot.

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I have updated the page to include the MT Probe now, can anyone find anything else that should be changed or added ?

I agree with gible, as long as the images are in GIF or PNG format they do not take up much space, so it would probably not be worth the effort to make such templates. To give one example, the GIF image of the MT Lifeboat (the largest GIF image on the page) is only 25 kb, and the image for the "The Mystery Trader" title is a 25 kb PGN image. If 25 kb images pose a bandwith problem, then that person is probably using an analog dial-up modem connection, and how many Stars! player use that ?

I have two small questions, though, both related to scrapping.

1. On my MT page I list the probability for gaining an MT part as 2% per instance of the part in the fleet after the 50% chance of gaining noting, but I have also seen a probability of 1%, or even ½% in at least one case. Which is the correct figure ? I could set up a testbed to try to verify the probability, but that would be tedious work, so if someone has already verified what the probability is, then I see no reason to duplicate the work.

2. The probability for gaining a tech level through normal tech scrapping seems pretty well established, and gives a probability of 90% for successfully gaining a tech level if there are 8 tech scrappers in separate fleets. However, my experience from actual games and race testbeds shows a lower than 10% incidence of failure, so is that established figure wrong, or have I been consistently lucky ? Even if I had kept a record of the results from tech scrapping, my experience is not a sufficient statistical sample to reliably prove the established figures for tech scrapping to be wrong, I would say that rolling double-six is a fair bit less likely than having my luck with tech trading, assuming the established figures are correct, so all I am asking is whether someone has actually verified the established figure to be correct. I can certainly live with having been lucky

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craebild wrote on Fri, 14 January 2011 19:57

2. The probability for gaining a tech level through normal tech scrapping seems pretty well established, and gives a probability of 90% for successfully gaining a tech level if there are 8 tech scrappers in separate fleets. However, my experience from actual games and race testbeds shows a lower than 10% incidence of failure, so is that established figure wrong, or have I been consistently lucky ?

That's statistics for you. Even just 6 scrappers give a decent enough chance of getting a tech that most players don't realize the odds are just about 80% for their luck holding, and when luck fails they don't quite grasp why.

I have seen 8 scrappers fail twice across a half hundred games, enough to really think about it, but not really enough to justify always using 9 scrappers.

I've also at least once gained 3 techlevels in a row by scrapping just 2 scrappers per turn of a set of 8. That would be 3 lucky dice throws, one unlucky, and also within statistical odds.

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m.a@stars wrote on Fri, 14 January 2011 20:19

That's statistics for you.

Yes, that's just statistics. As I wrote, I do not have a sufficient statistical sample.

Statistically it is a lot more likely to be run over by a car when crossing the road than to be killed by taking a trans-atlantic flight, but airline accidents get a lot more press than ordinary traffic accidents, and a lot more effort goes into working out why they happened and to prevent them from happening again.

Of course, airline accidents involve a lot more than 1 person dead. The worst ever involved a mid-air collision between two B-747 Jumbo's. Now try working out what would happen if two A-380's in the configuration the Japanese intend to use for short-range traffic collides in mid-air.

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craebild wrote on Mon, 28 February 2011 23:37

If you get tech level 26 through scrapping - Only possible with weapons and (theoretically) construction ...

Why theoretically? I't been seen and done enough times...

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m.a@stars wrote on Tue, 01 March 2011 17:35

craebild wrote on Mon, 28 February 2011 23:37 If you get tech level 26 through scrapping - Only possible with weapons and (theoretically) construction ... Why theoretically? I't been seen and done enough times...

I haven't seen it, an d I would say a Nubian hull is a rather expensive scrapper.

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While I think both point of view make sense, if it is possible then it is not theoretical anymore.

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craebild wrote on Wed, 02 March 2011 01:36

I haven't seen it, an d I would say a Nubian hull is a rather expensive scrapper.

Not as expensive as researching C26 itself, and certainly a lot cheaper than waging a war with BBs against Nubs, which makes C26 a rather handy trading chip.

What's hard is building Nub lambs. They have so much armor that the wolves need to be mainline warships.

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