| 2 bugs: invisible battle board enemy - laser stack damage wasted |
Mon, 23 August 2010 13:53  |
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I feel a bit hunted by 2 weird bugs which I haven't even seen before but in my present game occure all the time.
1) Invisible opponent on the battle board
The battle board opens and 2 opponents are shown in the typical starting position for battles with 3 participants but no 3rd party's ships show up or get involved.
So far this happened only in battles between 2 players. Has anybody seen this before? Any idea why it happens?
2) Laser stack damage wasted and sticks to 1 target
A stack of cruisers with colloid/sapper weapons has the battle orders "Starbase/Any - maximize damage ratio".
The sappers act fine: shoot down the shields of the station and then fire on whatever target they find. The colloidal phasers, though, fire on the station and destroy it and then they don't use up the about 1000 damage points left they could inflict on the neighbouring enemy ships. Weird weird.
It's not the bug where shields are wrongly displayed. We are talking about armour only here, all shields were depleted before the phasers hit (I recalculated and compared shields and damge to make sure).
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| Re: 2 bugs: invisible battle board enemy - laser stack damage wasted |
Mon, 23 August 2010 14:12  |
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| Altruist wrote on Mon, 23 August 2010 19:53 |
2) Laser stack damage wasted and sticks to 1 target
A stack of cruisers with colloid/sapper weapons has the battle orders "Starbase/Any - maximize damage ratio".
The sappers act fine: shoot down the shields of the station and then fire on whatever target they find. The colloidal phasers, though, fire on the station and destroy it and then they don't use up the about 1000 damage points left they could inflict on the neighbouring enemy ships. Weird weird.
It's not the bug where shields are wrongly displayed. We are talking about armour only here, all shields were depleted before the phasers hit (I recalculated and compared shields and damge to make sure).
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Amazing.
The behaviour is easily replayable and I begin to think that I have just not noticed it ever before.
It seems that the battle orders "Starbase/Any" come with a price. If your stack of ships is big enough to destroy the enemy station within 1 battle round (which not neessarily needs to be the 1st but can also be the 2nd or 3rd), then all additional damage points not used vs the station will be wasted.
This is NOT true for sappers, they work fine.
It's also NOT true when the laser stack needs more than 1 round of inflicting damage.
Nevertheless it would be interesting to see wether other players can confirm thsi behaviour. I ran only a very limited test series.
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| Re: 2 bugs: invisible battle board enemy - laser stack damage wasted |
Tue, 24 August 2010 05:39 |
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| Micha wrote on Mon, 23 August 2010 22:23 |
Is there an unarmed fort/SB involved?
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No.
| Micha wrote on Mon, 23 August 2010 22:23 |
Is some weird combination of player relations along with battle orders being used?
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Not at all.
Everbody set to enemy in relations.
Battle orders target neutrals and enemy.
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| Re: 2 bugs: invisible battle board enemy - laser stack damage wasted |
Tue, 24 August 2010 09:45 |
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| Altruist wrote on Mon, 23 August 2010 20:12 |
It seems that the battle orders "Starbase/Any" come with a price. If your stack of ships is big enough to destroy the enemy station within 1 battle round (which not neessarily needs to be the 1st but can also be the 2nd or 3rd), then all additional damage points not used vs the station will be wasted.
This is NOT true for sappers, they work fine.
It's also NOT true when the laser stack needs more than 1 round of inflicting damage.
Nevertheless it would be interesting to see wether other players can confirm thsi behaviour. I ran only a very limited test series.
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So, the Secondary target doesn't kick in while the Primary is still active, but if the Primary is already damaged then the Secondary has a chance to be used?  Yeah, it smells like a bug, and Starbase killing is probably where it will be most noticeable. Great news for ARs, I guess...
I wonder if the same can happen with Missiles too. 
So many Stars, so few Missiles!
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| Re: 2 bugs: invisible battle board enemy - laser stack damage wasted |
Thu, 26 August 2010 16:06 |
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| Orange |
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| Altruist wrote on Mon, 23 August 2010 13:53 |
1) Invisible opponent on the battle board
The battle board opens and 2 opponents are shown in the typical starting position for battles with 3 participants but no 3rd party's ships show up or get involved.
So far this happened only in battles between 2 players. Has anybody seen this before? Any idea why it happens?
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Did this battle occur over the planet of a 3rd player?
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| Re: 2 bugs: invisible battle board enemy - laser stack damage wasted |
Sat, 28 August 2010 02:14 |
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| Marduk |
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| Orange wrote on Thu, 26 August 2010 16:06 |
Did this battle occur over the planet of a 3rd player?
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No, it was at the world of one of the two players involved in the battle. I wonder if it is related to the fleet #1 bug? We had a fleet #1 bug in the game that did not meet the requirements as listed on AutoHost (post in the appropriate thread of Game Hosting forum) and it occurs to me that this could have something to do with orbital design slots.
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Does the battle proceed normally afterwards? Are the distances to be traversed significantly different?