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ManicLurch wrote on Thu, 12 August 2010 01:48

So here is a game of teams of 2 players.

Team game! Nice ... has been a while.
Experience level?

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Race restrictions, CA and IT are banned, Joat cannot take NAS. I wanted to see some combinations other than the obvious for a team, hence the banning of CA & IT.

Diversity. Good.
Double PRTs allowed? Not that it matters this much with IT banned.

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All races other than your teammate must be set to enemy. I am also thinking about banning communication with anyone other than your teammate, but I can go either way with this. So if you are interested in playing, please state your preference on this. No tech trading with anyone other than your teammate. Only one race per player, you cannot submit your allies turn.

IF I join my preference would be no cooperation allowed between teams. That includes info sharing.
You already have one ally, you can't possibly need two more.

Can't imagine why you would not be allowed to submit your allies turn. Races will be tweaked, playing will be tuned, .x files will be mailed back and forth (drop box?) for optimal cooperation. But if your ally is about to miss his turn you can't submit?

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Other game settings are as follows: <snip>

All good!

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Condition of victory, PPS being turned on at 2500 and then a vote. If there is no clear victor, we keep playing until there is a clear victor by vote.

Good, no endless game.

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Host is playing, so I will need a volunteer to check races and to remap the universe so that teammates start next to each other.

You could consider NO team starting next to eachother. All teams with at least one enemy between them. Played such a game, hosted by AE, was a different but tasty flavour. Anyway, fine with this setting (starting close) that you chose as a host, just wanted to mention the other option.

mch

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Experience level would be intermediate & up.

Double PRTs would be allowed, though I don't know why you would want to. I would think this is the perfect time to team up a PRT with a weakness, like warmonger, AR, or SS and combine it with a PRT that covers that weakness.

I didn't want players to submit their allies turn simply because I didn't want one player playing two races. I realize the allies will be downloading each others turns and sharing all info. All interested players can vote on this as well.

Interesting idea not having the players start next to each other, that is a game I would want to play in. However, I think that would make some combinations of races unplayable, like no one would take AR in that situation, but if they started next to each other AR is playable, difficult but playable. For now I would like to start races next to each other to encourage race combinations that you would not see in normal games.

So if you want to play, post your preference for communication with non-teammates and submitting your allies turn.

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ManicLurch wrote on Thu, 12 August 2010 18:15

Double PRTs would be allowed, though I don't know why you would want to. I would think this is the perfect time to team up a PRT with a weakness, like warmonger, AR, or SS and combine it with a PRT that covers that weakness.

As I said it doesn't matter so much with IT banned since that is the most dangerous combiation. They are very fast in expanding into eachother space. I met such a three headed beast! (in one of the teamgames I hosted myself, Rings with 4 teams of 3, and in which I forgot to allow a PRT only once per team) They gave my team (IT-WM-IS) a very hard time but diversity won the game in the end.

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I didn't want players to submit their allies turn simply because I didn't want one player playing two races. I realize the allies will be downloading each others turns and sharing all info. All interested players can vote on this as well.

So you don't want one player playing two races, of course, but the actual uploading shouldn't be forbidden. That would hurt a team that keeps its word but someone cheating and playing two races could care less. IOW that would be punishing honest players.

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Interesting idea not having the players start next to each other, that is a game I would want to play in. However, I think that would make some combinations of races unplayable, like no one would take AR in that situation, but if they started next to each other AR is playable, difficult but playable. For now I would like to start races next to each other to encourage race combinations that you would not see in normal games.

Both options are fun and have their own challenges. One is not better than the other.
That said the game I mentioned that had such a setup (it was Schizophrenia hosted by AE, and the actual setup was that 1 player played two races, hence the name) *did* feature an AR. It was sure not the first race/team to leave the game! True the player was definately high above intermediate but so were most of the others.

mch

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I'd like for team mates to be allowed to submit for each other. As Micha said, the restriction requires honesty from the players either way you go with this, so simply state that each race must have its own player. Allowing players to submit for team mate allows coverage for vacations (unless you want to be truly hard-core about not ever allowing a player to play two races for any period of time), but it also allows the team to designate a lead player who looks over both turn to ensure correct collaboration and then submits both.

Also, since diplomacy is one of my core competencies, I'd like to argue for allowing communication between teams. And really I don't have any sort of argument for why this is better than no communication other than it tends to make me appear to be a better player.

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Hi,

I am interested in playing. I am somewhere in the intermediate range, although I haven't played for a year. I will have an ally, just don't know who exactly

IMO, players should be able to submit for their partners, at least when one of them is on vacation (I will be away in the beginning of October).
And, I vote against diplomacy between teams.

Regards,

Andreas / wizard

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Micha wrote on Thu, 12 August 2010 14:23

That said the game I mentioned that had such a setup (it was Schizophrenia hosted by AE, and the actual setup was that 1 player played two races, hence the name) *did* feature an AR. It was sure not the first race/team to leave the game! True the player was definately high above intermediate but so were most of the others. mch

I was this AR's player. AR would be more playable if the team members are beside each other, but it is ok to be separate - they just can't be unreachable. It you decide against remapping then I suggest no random events as wornholes could (and did in Schizophrenia) give certain teams an advantage.

Being able to submit for your ally would be very convenient especially when members go on vacation or have to drop - the game can go on while searching for a replacement. Just a note of warning: Stars copy protection kicks in when you submit for yourself and your ally if you don't delete your allies' X file and then regen it - I forgot several times.

I am going to suggest that comm to "all" be allowed so that we have some idea when a team is taking over the HWs of other teams i.e. like a certain Joat/WM team that I recall

I am available to be someone's ally preferably someone who is good at race and team design (I am so so). I can be reached at dk20rl at gmail com.


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Hi ,

if I can find a partner against this strong team I am in


ccmaster

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I would like to join if there is still room. I have no partner yet. I wouldn't mind teaming up with ccmaster if he has no partner yet and is willing to have me

Cheers, Rolf.

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Just had a closer look at the number of planets. Medium normal holds 288 planets, means 10 races (5 teams of 2). Large normal makes 512 and would require the full 16 players (8 teams of 2). I'd prefer not switching to large but rather dense if we get 6-7 teams. I just finished a large game and in the end game it becomes *work* and no longer *fun* ...

How about Huge sparse then?

Teams so far:

ManicLurch/Orange
Micha/Wizard
TheShadow7478/?
vonKreedon/Grendal
Siltano/?
ccmaster/?
Mac1/Skandal
rolfverberg/?

That is 8 teams, though possibly TheShado7478 or ccmaster or rofverberg may team up leaving us with 7 teams.

I think we are 3 players short from filling up all 8 teams. Anyone else want to get in?

I believe our options with Medium are dense(360 planets, 25 planets per player with 14 players, 22.5 planets per player with 16) and packed(540 Planets, 38 planets per player with 14 players and 33.75 with 16 players) verses Large normal (512 planets, 36 planets with 14 players and 32 with 16).

Do you want fewer planets per player and have the fighting start sooner? Or do you want more planets to grow with? Cast your vote for universe size and density. I think my vote is medium dense.

We are almost full and can start soon. However, I still need a volunteer to check races and remap Homeworlds.

Any volunteers?

David

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