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goober wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 23:05

... kotk's race with 16% PGR and no IFE.

Please remember in this game there'll be no one to intersettle with.

BR, Iztok

[Updated on: Fri, 28 May 2010 03:01]

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iztok wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 02:12

Hi! Altruist wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 14:53 MUST the game file to prove 20k the exact race design used later in the game? I tried to say that with the "with his/her 'for-this-game' AR race" phrase. OFC you can submit "a proof" with a different race, but the catch is the test race could be anything, even unplayable (like +OBRM) one. I wanted to make a candidate think in playability terms, not max_resources @ 2450 terms.

I assume that AccBBS can be on for the test? My originally planned race easily gets the 20k with AccBBS on but only 17k with AccBBS off. I did achieve 20k+ with AccBBS off but had to design the race to sacrifice long term strength for short term res.

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Quote: splitting the game: rather not, I am in favour of using small packed for upto 9 players 9 players for 240 stars would be 27 planets per player. I announced this game with 35-40 planets per player with intention to give everyone some "room" to grow in relative peace for some turns. If I'd like to have crowded wild-knife-fighting game I wouldn't say AR-only. It looks like we have another player candidate goober. That makes us 9, so I'll have to split us in two games, Marduk hosting one, and me another. This way we could also have one with AccBBS ON and another with AccBBS OFF. Am going to rearrange players's list in second post accordingly. Please let me know if it's OK with you. BR, Iztok

Why can't the universe be changed to Medium/Dense (9 players = 40 planets each & 10 players = 36 planets each)?

EDIT: I notice that I'm in the AccBBS off game so if we are still going to split the game I'd prefer the AccBBS on one.

[Updated on: Fri, 28 May 2010 04:35]

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iztok wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 17:01

Hi! goober wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 23:05 ... kotk's race with 16% PGR and no IFE. Please remember in this game there'll be no one to intersettle with. BR, Iztok

I hadn't forgotten: I didn't opt for rad immune for the testbed for one.

I'm now going to be redesigning the race to monster by 2420 so I can field nubians by 2430 and wipe out all in my path

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[Updated on: Fri, 28 May 2010 06:38]

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Altruist wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 06:32

Pleased, put me into the AccBSS off group. I've never played against Alex or you and I am looking quite forward to it. NO change of the galaxy size to medium, please. It completly changes the character of the game: slower, higher tech, much longer, tactics get less while economy more important.

In general I agree with your reasoning re. increasing Uni size. However, I feel that medium doesn't change the character too much; not like a larger one would.

If we are splitting the game then I will withdraw my earlier request to be in the AccBBS on group since I see that you are looking forward to handing me my butt, Altruist

There is however one downside of Iztok & I being in the same game - i.e we can't host the other's game. Oh, on reviewing the post above I see that Marduk is hosting the OFF game so np.

[Updated on: Tue, 01 June 2010 10:50]

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Hi!

It's 1st of June. Time to start rolling. Gentlebeings , I need your voices:

• Bystander, wasp, goober - please say in what game you'd like to be.
  
• Marduk, AlexTheGreat - do you agree to host and also check game files?
  
• Rest of readers: a third call to apply.

BR, Iztok

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[Updated on: Wed, 02 June 2010 02:29]

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AlexTheGreat wrote on Wed, 02 June 2010 02:24

Test files required are .HST, .xy, .m & .h (the last file is not strictly necessary but I'd like it anyway). Give me your password if you used one.

The .hst file isn't needed for opening up the test. For the game itself I will be keeping up with all the files, just in case a replacement is needed. (None should be, ARs typically die really fast once they get started.) If no one objects after the game is done, I'll send the files to Gible for the wiki - they might be of interest to would-be ARs.

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Marduk I understand that you haven't done this sort of thing much. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I haven't done it at all. Why does the color for my name have to be "tomato"?

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I assume that you will check that noone has a particularly bad starting position as I will. This can sometimes take a bit of doing so let me point out that you need not necessarily regen each time - it might be possible to just move a few planets around to achieve a good outcome. I use Map2xy to shift planets.

Doesn't that end up with the starting ships appearing to be at the homeworlds original location in the first year but behaving as if they were at the new location? Or has that been corrected? If not, I'd rather just regen.

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I also have a mod that scans all planets upon initial generation so that you can see where HWs are & the value of other planets. This actually works for all races except AR but all you need to do is change the PRTs from AR to, say, JOAT until you have a good universe & then regenerate the same universe with PRTs changed back to AR.

Now this would be really handy. Please send it along with any necessary instructions on use.

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If you want the mod &/or advice on (repeatable) universe generation, planet manipulation etc. let me know. Obviously, I can only help from a procedural pov since I will be playing in that game.

Just the mod should do. I haven't bothered with genning duplicated universes in many years but it was simple enough.

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Hi!
Second post updated.

Testbedding now... My big mouth about leaving 50 RW points is giving me troubles . I usually left ~20 RW points, not 50. Now I have to cut features...

BR, Iztok

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Marduk wrote on Wed, 02 June 2010 10:57

AlexTheGreat wrote on Wed, 02 June 2010 02:24 Test files required are .HST, .xy, .m & .h (the last file is not strictly necessary but I'd like it anyway). Give me your password if you used one. The .hst file isn't needed for opening up the test. For the game itself I will be keeping up with all the files, just in case a replacement is needed. (None should be, ARs typically die really fast once they get started.) If no one objects after the game is done, I'll send the files to Gible for the wiki - they might be of interest to would-be ARs.

.HST not required? You're no doubt right but I thought it was.

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Quote: Marduk I understand that you haven't done this sort of thing much. Correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't done it at all. Why does the color for my name have to be "tomato"?

It's a luvly colour

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I assume that you will check that noone has a particularly bad starting position as I will. This can sometimes take a bit of doing so let me point out that you need not necessarily regen each time - it might be possible to just move a few planets around to achieve a good outcome. I use Map2xy to shift planets.

Doesn't that end up with the starting ships appearing to be at the homeworlds original location in the first year but behaving as if they were at the new location? Or has that been corrected? If not, I'd rather just regen.

That still happens if you move a HW. This is easily dealt with (by the player) tho: in 2400 you put waypoint 1 as the HW waypoint 2 as the first actual move (if any). Then remove waypoint 1.

Moving other planets has no problems.

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Quote: I also have a mod that scans all planets upon initial generation so that you can see where HWs are & the value of other planets. This actually works for all races except AR but all you need to do is change the PRTs from AR to, say, JOAT until you have a good universe & then regenerate the same universe with PRTs changed back to AR. Now this would be really handy. Please send it along with any necessary instructions on use.

np. Will do - give me a day or so & you'll have it.

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Quote: If you want the mod &/or advice on (repeatable) universe generation, planet manipulation etc. let me know. Obviously, I can only help from a procedural pov since I will be playing in that game. Just the mod should do. I haven't bothered with genning duplicated universes in many years but it was simple enough.

2 be able 2 repeat a universe just use a game.def file with a seed. Provided that you don't change anything (like changing the race order) the same seed will produce the same universe.

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iztok wrote on Wed, 02 June 2010 14:56

Hi! Second post updated. Testbedding now... My big mouth about leaving 50 RW points is giving me troubles . I usually left ~20 RW points, not 50. Now I have to cut features... BR, Iztok

No, just leave the 20 RW.

I'm leaving 33 RW myself.

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AlexTheGreat wrote on Thu, 03 June 2010 03:32

iztok wrote on Wed, 02 June 2010 14:56 Hi! Second post updated. Testbedding now... My big mouth about leaving 50 RW points is giving me troubles . I usually left ~20 RW points, not 50. Now I have to cut features... BR, Iztok No, just leave the 20 RW. I'm leaving 33 RW myself.

Don't sob when I kick you around. Then I'll only say "Didn't I tell you..."
I'll leave no points or at most 12 points.

And I think in this illustrate round nobody should feel like leaving points.

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[Updated on: Fri, 11 June 2010 13:22]

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Hi!

I'd like to propose a deadline for race submission. AlexTheGreat and Marduk, would Friday, 11th of June till 23:59 GMT be acceptable?

BTW I can't edit the second post anymore, so no more updates there. Sorry.

BTW2 The more I testbed, the more I'm frustrated with the performance. Looks like I'll need to settle for the least bad one, not the best one, as I usually do with other PRTs.

BR, Iztok

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iztok wrote on Tue, 08 June 2010 02:18

I'd like to propose a deadline for race submission. AlexTheGreat and Marduk, would Friday, 11th of June till 23:59 GMT be acceptable?

That would work for me. Actual game generation shouldn't take that long with a small universe and only four player starts to check.

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BTW2 The more I testbed, the more I'm frustrated with the performance. Looks like I'll need to settle for the least bad one, not the best one, as I usually do with other PRTs.

I find most AR designs have a lot of variability in tests due to starting conditions. In one test I was really pleased at first by all the iron at my homeworld and the worlds I initially saw. The low germ concentrations were annoying, but I didn't think anything about it until I ran out. I had just sort of assumed that I would find a world with a reasonable germ concentration eventually, but I didn't. More than 40 systems scouted and my homeworld still had the highest germ concentration with a 30.

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