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Re: Windows 7 64bit Mon, 17 January 2011 05:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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actually if he unpacks the rar to c:\ he doesn't even need to edit the .conf file.


I don't think windows 7 will even let you place something directly in the c:\ drive, not sure though.
PS: another problem I was having was I didn't realize at first that you could open the .config files with notepad Wall Bash which explained why the instructions were so confusing

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Re: Windows 7 64bit Mon, 17 January 2011 11:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've heard that Windows 7 don't allow you to save anything anywhere except on special folders... But I don't use Windows 7 and I'd consider that as a very retarded mechanism anyways...

If there is something I'd want for security, it is to be able to save my file somewhere else than where a hacker would look first and foremost... Rolling Eyes



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Re: Windows 7 64bit Thu, 20 January 2011 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Windows 7 64bit Tue, 01 March 2011 18:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Celebrinbor1 wrote on Mon, 17 January 2011 21:37


I don't think windows 7 will even let you place something directly in the c:\ drive, not sure though.


XP doesn't, I know that.

Eagle of Fire wrote on Tue, 18 January 2011 03:31

I've heard that Windows 7 don't allow you to save anything anywhere except on special folders... But I don't use Windows 7 and I'd consider that as a very retarded mechanism anyways...


I don't believe this to be the case.

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Re: Windows 7 64bit Tue, 01 March 2011 22:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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magic9mushroom wrote on Wed, 02 March 2011 12:11

Celebrinbor1 wrote on Mon, 17 January 2011 21:37


I don't think windows 7 will even let you place something directly in the c:\ drive, not sure though.


XP doesn't, I know that.


I do this with XP all the time...
C:\Stars\Stars.exe ftw Smile

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Re: Windows 7 64bit Wed, 02 March 2011 01:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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XP doesn't, I know that.

You have a very, very, very strange version of XP. This kind of behavior would have been laughed at simply because the thought of it is so ridiculous by the time XP got out.

Heck, when XP got out most people were still using '98. And '98 still used a DOS interface to boot up! You can guess how your statement doesn't make any sense to any experienced computer user.

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I don't believe this to be the case.

This behavior have been confirmed to me by many people since I have wrote this. However, I think it can be circumvented if you mess up with the options. And I've been told that old programs are made to believe by the Windows 7 code to think that the new directory is exactly the same as the old C:\Windows one and should theoretically work just the same.

What I haven't been confirmed is if STARS! do work if the supposedly messed up directory is too long. I have first hand experience that a too long directory will prevent STARS! from working correctly... Since I only have second hand information and that I would not know how the Windows 7 code works in the first place, I have no way to know.



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Re: Windows 7 64bit Wed, 02 March 2011 03:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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gible wrote on Wed, 02 March 2011 14:09

I do this with XP all the time...
C:\Stars\Stars.exe ftw Smile


No, that's not the issue under discussion.

XP doesn't allow C:\Stars.exe, ie a file directly in the drive.

Eagle of Fire wrote on Wed, 02 March 2011 17:54


You have a very, very, very strange version of XP. This kind of behavior would have been laughed at simply because the thought of it is so ridiculous by the time XP got out.

Heck, when XP got out most people were still using '98. And '98 still used a DOS interface to boot up! You can guess how your statement doesn't make any sense to any experienced computer user.


Attempting to put a file (say, Stars.exe) directly in the C: drive does not work under XP.

Putting a folder in it works fine.

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This behavior have been confirmed to me by many people since I have wrote this. However, I think it can be circumvented if you mess up with the options. And I've been told that old programs are made to believe by the Windows 7 code to think that the new directory is exactly the same as the old C:\Windows one and should theoretically work just the same.


I have Windows 7, and I can save stuff anywhere I like. WTF are you talking about?!

Incidentally, I have noticed that the forum software converts a certain term for faeces into a certain term for sex.


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Re: Windows 7 64bit Wed, 02 March 2011 05:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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magic9mushroom wrote on Wed, 02 March 2011 21:08

XP doesn't allow C:\Stars.exe, ie a file directly in the drive.
You mean like this?
(it executes fine too)

...wonders if I missed a bridge somewhere...

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Re: Windows 7 64bit Wed, 02 March 2011 14:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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gible wrote on Wed, 02 March 2011 21:24

magic9mushroom wrote on Wed, 02 March 2011 21:08

XP doesn't allow C:\Stars.exe, ie a file directly in the drive.
You mean like this?
(it executes fine too)

...wonders if I missed a bridge somewhere...


*bites lip*

...Mine doesn't let me do that, or at least it didn't the last time I tried.

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Re: Windows 7 64bit Wed, 02 March 2011 15:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As I said, you must have a very strange XP version...


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Re: Windows 7 64bit Wed, 02 March 2011 18:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm sure you have not given your account the proper permissions.

Go to C:\, Tools, Folder Options, View tab and remove the tick on "hide protected operating system files".

I also remember that when you go to C:\windows, it shows a shield and none of the files and shows you an alert message asking if you are sure you want to access the contents of the system drive.

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Re: Windows 7 64bit Wed, 02 March 2011 20:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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nmid wrote on Thu, 03 March 2011 10:07

I'm sure you have not given your account the proper permissions.

Go to C:\, Tools, Folder Options, View tab and remove the tick on "hide protected operating system files".

I also remember that when you go to C:\windows, it shows a shield and none of the files and shows you an alert message asking if you are sure you want to access the contents of the system drive.

Nmid.


Oh, I can go into C:\Windows fine.

Meh, I haven't tried anything like this for ages anyway, since it's so untidy to have stuff directly in the drive.

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Re: Windows 7 64bit Wed, 02 March 2011 22:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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magic9mushroom wrote on Thu, 03 March 2011 02:28

I haven't tried anything like this for ages anyway, since it's so untidy to have stuff directly in the drive.

You could have tested it all (as I just did) in less time than it took you to write about it. That way you'd have saved your own time and everybody else's too. Whip



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Re: Windows 7 64bit Sun, 20 March 2011 22:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey guys I havn't been around sense Jan. I miss the great games Iv had with many of you.

I finally got a new computer and I wanna play on my 46 inch tv which would make this game more epic than ever!!

So my computer is windows 7 64bit which I hate due to the compatibilty issues. Its only home version so I can't do a virtual xp.

Is that dos based version (or something like that) I heard about realiable and safe for my computer and easy to use?

I think dos is my only option?



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Re: Windows 7 64bit Tue, 22 March 2011 02:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oracle virtual box is awesome. I started using it for Stars! but know use it for a couple older programs.

So I have an XP desktop in a window on my 7 desktop. Still need a copy of XP and serial, but that is not too difficult to come by.

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Re: Windows 7 64bit Tue, 22 March 2011 14:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The "dos version" on the Wiki is simply a DOSBox basic build with a Win 3.11 copy reinstalled. DOSBox is perfectly safe for any computer so fire away.

DOSBox is a freelance project which has been started in the beginning of Windows XP when old games diehards realized that they could not play them anymore due to Microsoft dropping DOS compatibility (almost) completely. It has since then been upgraded for the newer Windows versions and is really a must if you need to run DOS based programs on newer OSes.

Using the 3.11 build would also allow you to run any 16 bits program specifically made for Win 3.11. Which mean most of them.



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Re: Windows 7 64bit Tue, 22 March 2011 16:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have downloaded the jrc3 zip 1.43mb ( I forgot which one was the best, jrc4?)and the dosbox file from the wiki page. I extracted both in same folder. What kind of program do I open the dosbox.confi file with?


Edit: Hopefully someone can talk me through the dosbox issue if they don't have anything else to do.


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Re: Windows 7 64bit Tue, 22 March 2011 17:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As far as I know, Gible included everything you need in his Win3.11 archive. You only need to unpack and fire away.

In case you do want to know, the DOSBox config can be opened with notepad... Just like 95% of all the config files in existence.

You should really read the DOSBox help file before venturing on.



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Re: Windows 7 64bit Tue, 22 March 2011 17:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I remember using it and it worked ... but that's all I'll say about it. It worked. Not something that I would like using on a regular basis. It was not smooth at all and it felt.. "uncomfortable".

I much prefer it on my Win XP machine.

I remember that there was a readme file or some instructions for getting it to work.. I'll download the file and let you know, in a bit.

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Re: Windows 7 64bit Tue, 22 March 2011 21:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Oracle virtual box suggested by neilhoward seems really cool,
www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
but you'll have to get an XP install cd.
If you have that, we'll take it further.
If not, then lets go with Dosbox.

Dosbox.
1. Install Dosbox (It's currently 0.74).
www.dosbox.com/download.php?main=1

2. Install it (Keep default settings or take note of any change in install directory path)

3. Get gible's stars dump (4.92mb, last in the game files list).
http://wiki.starsautohost.org/wiki/Downloads

4. Unzip to C:\DOSBoxC
(we'll put it in another directory in the end. This just simplifies explaining things)

5. Create a shortcut and enter :
"C:\Program Files\DOSBox-0.74\DOSBox.exe" -conf "C:\DOSBoxC\dosbox.conf"
(note that you have to change .72 to .74 in the path. Dosbox's older version is referred to in the readme file.)

6. Double click this shortcut.

7. Enter your serial number in the stars box that opens up.
You are good to go.

You can now change the C:\Dosboxc to any other path.. just make the change in the shortcut as well.
You might need to mess around with the settings as the mouse cursor seemed too fast for me.

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Thanks for going through the trouble to figure out how to run stars on 64 bit windows 7 for me. I know the basics of the computer but dont know how to do stuff like this. Maybe tonight or tomorrow we can get me all set up.



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Ok.. he's up and running.
Checklist to follow.

STEP A
Install dosbox to
C:\Program Files\DOSBox-0.74

Check : Type
C:\Program Files\DOSBox-0.74
in START>RUN.

if it opens up and shows you a folder, (as per my screenshot), Step A is done.

STEP B
Unzip gible's files in
C:\

Check : Type
C:\DOSBoxC
in START>RUN.

if it opens up and shows you a folder, (as per my screenshot), Step B is done.
IMPORTANT > Make sure you don't have C:\DOSBoxC\DOSBoxC
It happens if you unzipped to C:\DOSBoxC

STEP C
"C:\Program Files\DOSBox-0.74\DOSBox.exe" -conf C:\DOSBoxC\dosbox.conf
YOU DONT HAVE TO TYPE ANYTHING IN THE VM.
Just run the shortcut.

If stars run, Step C is done Very Happy

For images on the path structure:
http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/20799270/2/Forum%20images/Dos Box?h=04c59b


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After 28 emails and 3 hours or so of back and forth emails I finally got it. Soon as he made those organized lists and check lists and us sending screen shots I got it. It really isn't easy for someone like me not use to setting up files. To use the basic readme help Id never get it. If I was file fancy it would have probably took 10 minutes. nmid is the bomb for patiently helping me out.

Glad I got this stars dos box up and running but man is it weird having to hold the left mouse button down to look at ships on planets and such things like scrolling is awkward. This is definitely a temporary set up.

Started doing a test game. Ill be looking for a dual soon.

Definitely follow nmids guide if you need to play stars on your 64bit windows.

P.s. Taking off 16 bit from windows was the most retarded thing Microsoft could do. oh and is this stars dos box usable with autohost?



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Re: Windows 7 64bit Wed, 23 March 2011 02:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dosbox will work with Autohost and I am quite sure nmid will beat me to lieutenant.

Get your hands on a XP install disk or download a copy. VirtualBox works sooo much better, and you can use it for other stuff too. When I turn mine on, I have it set to bring up all my games just as I left them. It can make file management easier too.

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Re: Windows 7 64bit Wed, 23 March 2011 06:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Did I mention that I simply use Windows XP mode?

Much easier to work with than DOSbox IMO. Smile

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Here in the UK the difference for Win 7 64 bit between an OEM Home version and an OEM Professional version is about 30.00. ($40.00?) I guess the difference for retail (non OEM) packs might be a bit more but it may be worth finding out the cost of upgrading your Home version. I understand all Win 7 installation disks have everything required for all versions - it is just the installation code which decides what version you get.

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