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Some "bugs" should be taken out of the list? Mon, 30 November 2009 11:25 Go to next message
Bukane is currently offline Bukane

 
Crewman 1st Class

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Hi,

I usually see new game announcements allowing this:

Chaff
Split fleets
Repair after gating loophole

Now... In most forum topics, the existence of chaff is taken for granted. Splitting fleets is very common, I do it every turn even without thinking about dodging. And after gating, one quite often wants to merge a fleet with an overcloaker, or some SFX to repair a bit, or whatever.

Shouldn't these "bugs" be in a section "known exploitable features" or so? Just wondering.

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Re: Some "bugs" should be taken out of the list? Mon, 30 November 2009 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Micha

 

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The bug section was split up in Coding Bugs and Player Exploitable Bugs / "Features" March 16 2006. Difference is easy to make here.

The "bug" or "feature" difference however is still a matter of taste ...

mch

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Re: Some "bugs" should be taken out of the list? Sun, 06 December 2009 15:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bigcanuknaz is currently offline bigcanuknaz

 
Officer Cadet 1st Year

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Registered: July 2004

I think the list should be divided into 2 sections:

1. Bugs, normally disallowed

2. Features/Bugs normally allowed.

In particular, the "mine dodge bug":

http://starsautohost.org/sahforum/index.php?t=msg&th=424 1&rid=554&S=e80d6deddf9448612d1d7e574df97d9a&pl_ view=&start=40#msg_44604

would be difficult to disallow. There are many tactical situations where you may want to pair a sweeper with another fleet. Defining the difference between allowable and non-allowable play may be difficult.

Similarly, there are other reasons to merge with a planet cover after gating, such as hiding a fleet from pen scanners so it can't be targeted.

http://starsautohost.org/sahforum/index.php?t=msg&th=426 7&start=0&rid=554&S=e80d6deddf9448612d1d7e574df9 7d9a

I would propose the Bug/Features normally allowed would include:

1. chaff
2. split fleet dodge
3. repair after gating
4. mine dodge feature

The advantage to this would:

1. make policing #3 and #4 much more practical.
2. serve to educate the community more about using #3 and #4.
3. even the playing field, as many players use #3 and #4 in games even if specifically not allowed, especially since they have been added so recently to the bugs list.

If we do not do this, then I would suggest *every* game announcement needs to discuss #3 and #4 thoroughly, so that all players are equally aware of the rules.

naz

edit: added repair after gating url


[Updated on: Sun, 06 December 2009 15:58]

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Re: Some "bugs" should be taken out of the list? Mon, 07 December 2009 11:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
vonKreedon is currently offline vonKreedon

 
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I agree with the Bigcanuknaz.

PS - Is there a Littlecanuknaz?

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Re: Some "bugs" should be taken out of the list? Tue, 08 December 2009 00:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gible

 
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Registered: November 2002
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

I'd add the ISB trumps IT gate scanning bug to that list too.

On a related note perhaps some of these might be fixed(ie patched) by PaulCr or m.a@stars? Stars jRCfan?

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Re: Some "bugs" should be taken out of the list? Wed, 09 December 2009 01:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bigcanuknaz is currently offline bigcanuknaz

 
Officer Cadet 1st Year

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Registered: July 2004

vonKreedon wrote on Mon, 07 December 2009 11:02


PS - Is there a Littlecanuknaz?


Three actually. one does not do much computers (and she would be quite offended (or maybe amused) to be called "littlecanuknaz"...) One is "bcjr". The last is "racquetman" because he is a badminton player.

So 3, but only 1 has an online name derived from mine...

Very Happy

naz (proud dad)


[Updated on: Wed, 09 December 2009 01:55]

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Re: Some "bugs" should be taken out of the list? Tue, 30 March 2010 18:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bigcanuknaz is currently offline bigcanuknaz

 
Officer Cadet 1st Year

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Registered: July 2004

Is there anyone opposed to the changing of the standard cheats disclaimer to allow:

1. chaff,
2. split fleet dodge,
3. repair after gating, and
4. mine damage dodge?

We have only had those in favour voice their opinion so far.

naz

edit: typos, reword question to make it more clear.


[Updated on: Tue, 30 March 2010 18:21]

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Re: Some "bugs" should be taken out of the list? Thu, 01 April 2010 13:27 Go to previous message
slimdrag00n is currently offline slimdrag00n

 
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I agree with everything you have said.


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