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Open War X needs someone to remap worlds Sat, 06 June 2009 09:50 Go to next message
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I need someone to remap the worlds for the teams for Open War X. Just like Open War, moving each team to the 4 corners of the Universe.
Pm me if your interested.


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Re: Open War X needs someone to remap worlds Sat, 06 June 2009 13:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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slimdrag00n wrote on Sat, 06 June 2009 09:50

I need someone to remap the worlds for the teams for Open War X. Just like Open War, moving each team to the 4 corners of the Universe.
Pm me if your interested.



No problem. I've done a fair bit of that. Let me know if you want any special conditions such as minimum or maximum MCs (don't make them too demanding - getting 4 teams into corners is not easy).

I'll need all race files & PWs. My email is mcdonaldjk at bigpond dot com.

bretter wrote on Sat, 06 June 2009 00:16

A suggestion:

Perhaps tell us what the teams will be and then generate 5 or more universes that we choose from. Each player ranks them and highest score is what we play.



Not if I'm doing it. It is likely to take over 100 attempts to get just one good universe. I can, however, move some planets around if there is a big disparity between quadrants.



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Re: Open War X needs someone to remap worlds Sat, 06 June 2009 19:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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AlexTheGreat wrote on Sun, 07 June 2009 05:34

Not if I'm doing it. It is likely to take over 100 attempts to get just one good universe. I can, however, move some planets around if there is a big disparity between quadrants.


What makes a universe good that it takes 100 gens to find?

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gible wrote on Sat, 06 June 2009 19:10

AlexTheGreat wrote on Sun, 07 June 2009 05:34

Not if I'm doing it. It is likely to take over 100 attempts to get just one good universe. I can, however, move some planets around if there is a big disparity between quadrants.


What makes a universe good that it takes 100 gens to find?


Getting exactly 2 teams of 3 on the left side of the universe is the main problem.

If the 4 teams are ABC, DEF, GHI & JKL then one member of each of 2 teams on the left is pretty much a given & it doesn't matter which teams they are - lets say it's players A & D.

Chances of BC & EF also being on the left is 1 in 16 & then there is a chance of getting <> 6 players on the left so let's say 1/25.

If the left side requirements are satisfied then the right side will be too.

However, if the game is to be balanced, then each team must not have major advantages over the others eg.
1. If one team is significantly closer to X=1600 than others then that team should be able grab more planets.
2. If the average distance between team members is much greater than for another then they have a number of significant advantage such as getting tech exchange going early, helping with refueling, etc.
3. While it's easy to balance the number of planets in the southern & northern quadrants by moving planets it's not so easy to move planets between east & west. It's not uncommon to get a 55%/45% planet split in favour of one hemisphere.

So I'm estimating that only 1 in 4 universes will not exhibit flaws such as those.

1/25 x 1/4 = 1/100.

Even then I expect that there will still be minor imbalances.

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yikes...I'm so glad my only pre-SHE go at remapping was for two teams of 6(north & south). Somewhere in all those utils I never tried I always assumed there was something to make it easier.

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Re: Open War X needs someone to remap worlds Sun, 07 June 2009 11:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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AlexTheGreat You sound like you know exactly what needs to be done and how to do it. Do you mind doing the remapping instead of Gible?


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Re: Open War X needs someone to remap worlds Sun, 07 June 2009 12:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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slimdrag00n wrote on Sun, 07 June 2009 11:47

AlexTheGreat You sound like you know exactly what needs to be done and how to do it. Do you mind doing the remapping instead of Gible?


I don't mind if Gible doesn't

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Re: Open War X needs someone to remap worlds Sun, 07 June 2009 12:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ok im sure he knows what to do. Smile


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Re: Open War X needs someone to remap worlds Sun, 07 June 2009 18:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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slimdrag00n wrote on Mon, 08 June 2009 04:53

ok im sure he knows what to do. Smile


he (haw) who? lol

John: Damned if I know who's doing it, but if you are, I suggest only worrying about issue 3) and just move(swap) starting worlds around with SHE - all you need is the right places to move them. (It swaps the entire planet+contents)

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Re: Open War X needs someone to remap worlds Sun, 07 June 2009 19:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As a player in the game I don't particularly care if there's a slightly uneven split in planets or distance between homeworlds. No need to drive yourself nuts over it. Normal games are never totally fair in player location or planet coverage anyway, and the remapper is an unbiased third party anyway.

Now if only our host would send out the team arrangements already Very Happy

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Re: Open War X needs someone to remap worlds Mon, 08 June 2009 16:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gible is remapping Thank you. Yeah it doesnt have to be perfect but do the best you can. Nothing is exactly fair in games.




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