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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Thu, 11 December 2008 19:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Room for one more?? Ive played a few games but I guess Im still kind of a newb. What do you say?


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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Thu, 11 December 2008 19:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Fine with me if nobody else voices disagreement. Send me a race file by noon CST Saturday. ( randrews@geekfu.org )

Edit: We should probably move to a medium-sized map with four players though, small would get crowded fast.


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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Thu, 11 December 2008 20:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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randrews wrote on Fri, 12 December 2008 01:16

Edit: We should probably move to a medium-sized map with four players though, small would get crowded fast.


Hehe, small is large enough for 4 players for sure.

With 4 players I'd suggest:
Universe size: small
Density: normal (128 stars)
Player Positions: farther
Accelerated BBS Play

To give you a relation: Your 4th and newest player, Combat, plays in a small packed universe with 9 players at the moment.

Size and density is quite important to have in mind when designing a race. So you should decide soon and stick to it.

randrews

If I'm sending it to the Autohost, I'm not hosting anything.

If you don't notify Ron otherwise, he WILL set you up as the host and thus giving you access to the interface (to set genning times etc.)

It's not uncommon that the host is also playing. But if you want a 3rd party playing the host, just ask. Usually somebody helps out.

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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Thu, 11 December 2008 20:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The not hosting thing was in reference to accidentally seeing something I shouldn't. It's not an issue if I have access to the AH interface.

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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Thu, 11 December 2008 20:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If we send you our race file then don't you automaticaly have access to information you should normaly not see?

Not that I don't trust you... But I think it's still a valid question.



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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Thu, 11 December 2008 21:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am inclined to agree with Altruist, small is plenty for 4 players and normal density would have a good mix of clusters and empty spaces, great terrain to play in. Although its your game so you do what you want. Posting the complete setup of the game - size, density, distance between starting positions, game options - slow tech, Acc BBS ect. Also any diplomatic rules or race restrictions. This makes it clear to the players what to expect and what is expected from them.

Im not sure why Altruist recommended the farther setting instead of distant but that could be my inexperience.


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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Thu, 11 December 2008 21:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If we are really playing a 4 players game then we definitely need to clear out the diplomacy options.

Originaly it was said that we can't make alliances... Which was sound for a 2 or 3 players game. In a 4+ players game, no alliance is a completely different story and race creation should take that into account!

So I agree, we need more information...



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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Fri, 12 December 2008 00:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, as this is my first multiplayer game, I'll just go with what Altruist proposed. Sounds reasonable to me.

I'd prefer no alliances, since as I said, I do suck, and don't want to let down any hypothetical allies.

As far as the race file thing, I'm not going to look at them, not that I'd know enough about race design to change my strategy if I did. If it's an issue, you can mail them directly to Ron Miller, or one of you can take over hosting, either way is fine with me.

I'm just trying to make it easier on everyone else, taking care of of the administrative details.

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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Fri, 12 December 2008 01:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How about this rule: no alliances made before the game?

Everybody and everywhere I look for advice, people tell me that diplomacy in STARS! is what make the game so fun... I don't think we should diss it that easily.

If alliances are forbidden then you need to think that you are on your own for the whole game. If alliances are not forbidden then you can take into account in your race creation that someone else can exchange tech with you or exchange ships with you or whatever.

Like I said, it change everything. Smile



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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Fri, 12 December 2008 02:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm okay with that, as long as anyone allying with me is aware that I suck, and will probably cause our alliance to lose. Smile

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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Fri, 12 December 2008 06:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eagle of Fire wrote on Fri, 12 December 2008 02:55

If we send you our race file then don't you automaticaly have access to information you should normaly not see?

Not that I don't trust you... But I think it's still a valid question.


That's what the password is for you should set for your race file. It prevents anybody looking into your race file and additionally you need to type in the password to open your m-file (where your turn is stored in).

Combat:

Im not sure why Altruist recommended the farther setting instead of distant but that could be my inexperience.


Tests indicated that "farther" gives better fairer starting positions in duels (and since the number of player in this game seems to be 2+...)

I agree with Combat. By now you should pool together the parameters of your game, the number of min./max. players, diplomacy, skill etc.. Post it here or in the proper section: "New Game Announcements" (add wether you are looking for somebody to take over the hosting/interface side) and since race design depends heavily on those parameters, only then it is usually the time to announce a deadline for race files. Games between 2 players are usually as informal as you started this thread, games with more players tend to go along more formal lines.

PS: Stars games require quite some time and it's always a shame when a game stops midway because the parameters weren't set properly... or in a hurry like "Start playing first, discuss the rest later". Nevertheless I'll stop interfering and mingeling into your game now... your game after all.



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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Fri, 12 December 2008 11:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have mostly finished my race now. I'll send it either late today or tomorrow morning.


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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Fri, 12 December 2008 14:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi guys,

I might suggest that you keep alliances in the game, but that maybe you include Public Player Scores. This way, if one of you starts to take a commanding lead, even if your race design sucks you can still possibly gang up on the leader a bit. This helps to keep the game fun and balance out different skill levels in a beginner game. You might learn more this way while still having a lot of fun.

Just my two nickels,

John


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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Fri, 12 December 2008 15:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I generally don't like Public Player Scores(PPS), but for a newbie game I think that they are a good idea. But be sure to use the PPS to calibrate what you learn from scouting and diplomacy so that you can then effectively analyze such intel in non-PPS games and still get a decent idea of how your opponents are doing.

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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Fri, 12 December 2008 15:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Okay, to give everyone time to make their races, I'm saying that the game settings will be:

Universe size: small
Density: normal (128 stars)
Player Positions: farther
Accelerated BBS Play

No pre-game alliances
Public player scores

24h turn schedule, or as soon as everyone gets them in, whichever comes first.

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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Fri, 12 December 2008 20:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You should also say which cheats are allowed, if any.

Standard is to have all cheats banned except for fleet merging on gating and chaff.



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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Fri, 12 December 2008 23:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey randrews... I just realized that my version of STARS! is an unpatched version. And since I can't find again or remember the serial then I sent a donation to get a new one.

Patch versions are not compatible together, so there is no point in me making a race file with my unpatched version and send it to you: it just won't work. Could we delay the game by a day or so?

It all really depends of the time it will take for the serial to arrive in all honesty...



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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Sat, 13 December 2008 00:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sure, I'll wait for you.

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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Sat, 13 December 2008 04:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Im afraid I will have to back out of this game as due to real life I may not have internet for a week or so. Unless you dont mind waiting for me to get back. Very Happy


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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Sun, 14 December 2008 16:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Alright. New code in, patched to J, putting the final touch to my race file...

I'll be ready to send it soon. Smile

Will we wait for Combat?



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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Sun, 14 December 2008 23:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, Combat said he would drop out, but I'm in favor of waiting a day or so for magic9mushroom.

Got your race file, btw.

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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Sun, 14 December 2008 23:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Are we talking about a duel ATM? 4 - 2 = 2. Razz

You are the host, you decide. I am confident that my race will be able to hold its own no matter what...



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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Sun, 14 December 2008 23:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, that's part of why I want to wait, you designed your race for a non-duel game and then one of the players dropped. But I don't see a message where magic9mushroom dropped out, so I say we give it a day before we call it.

And I'm pretty confident your race will win too. Smile

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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Mon, 15 December 2008 00:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Go ahead without me.

EDIT: Basically, I'm going to be all over the place until after Christmas at least. I doubt you can wait that long, but I'm ok to play after that.


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Re: Anyone want to play a newbie? Mon, 15 December 2008 03:59 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Quote:

And I'm pretty confident your race will win too. Smile


Hey hey now... Don't sell the bear hide before you killed it! Beside, I do want at leas some challenge... Wink



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