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magic9mushroom is currently offline magic9mushroom

 
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Can IT gate colonists through non-IT gates, and does it count towards the weight limit?

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Re: IT gating Fri, 17 October 2008 00:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, and no. They work the same as your own gates, except they don't come in the better varieties.

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Re: IT gating Fri, 17 October 2008 21:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Cargo is not calculated into mass if you are an IT.

If you aren't an IT and try to gate cargo you'll find mass is not your primary concern Smile

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Re: IT gating Sat, 18 October 2008 21:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You can't gate cargo no matter what if you're not an IT, right?

So an IT can gate Large Freighters full of colonists through others' 300kT gates then?

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Re: IT gating Sat, 18 October 2008 22:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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magic9mushroom wrote on Sat, 18 October 2008 21:12

You can't gate cargo no matter what if you're not an IT, right?

So an IT can gate Large Freighters full of colonists through others' 300kT gates then?


Yes.

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Re: IT gating Sun, 19 October 2008 06:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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magic9mushroom wrote on Sun, 19 October 2008 03:12

You can't gate cargo no matter what if you're not an IT, right?

So an IT can gate Large Freighters full of colonists through others' 300kT gates then?



On top of this, IT-ships never vanish due to mass-overgating.
They accumulate damage as any other PRT, though, and if the damage reaches 100% the ships are gone.

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Re: IT gating Sun, 19 October 2008 21:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Altruist wrote on Sun, 19 October 2008 06:03



On top of this, IT-ships never vanish due to mass-overgating.
They accumulate damage as any other PRT, though, and if the damage reaches 100% the ships are gone.


IT ships never vanish due to mass and/or *distance* overgating.

In effect, this means full large freighters can be effectively gated to any gate an ally has (almost) anywhere.

*and*

Which is it?? Distance or weight limits, which are only determined by the *sending* gate? Distance, iirc. So you can send a large freighter truly anywhere from a 100/any or any/any gate.

naz

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Re: IT gating Sun, 19 October 2008 22:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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bigcanuknaz wrote on Mon, 20 October 2008 14:48

IT ships never vanish due to mass and/or *distance* overgating.

In effect, this means full large freighters can be effectively gated to any gate an ally has (almost) anywhere.

*and*

Which is it?? Distance or weight limits, which are only determined by the *sending* gate? Distance, iirc. So you can send a large freighter truly anywhere from a 100/any or any/any gate.

Not quite, distance damage is determined by the sending gate alone, but weight damage is determined by both gates.

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Re: IT gating Sun, 19 October 2008 22:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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right.

so for a 100/any origin, the large freighter can be sent anywhere while accumulating a bit of damage from approx doubling the weight limit.

and from an any/any gate, the receiving gate will determine the weight damage, if any.

So from these two gates, a loaded large freighter can truly be sent anywhere.

As IT, I *regularly* overgate. (Heck, as any race, I regularly overgate.)

Also as IT, I have *never* had a ship disappear due to overgating. The wiki "guts of overgating" says the probability of disappearing is reduced. Is it in fact more than 0% or is it just so close to 0 to be effectively 0.

naz

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Re: IT gating Sun, 19 October 2008 23:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Point you should take on board. Ships don't die from distance overgating even if you're not IT, IIRC. At least, that's what the Stars! Spreadsheet says.

What's the formula for how much less damage ITs take?

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Re: IT gating Mon, 20 October 2008 08:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi!
magic9mushroom wrote on Mon, 20 October 2008 05:09

Ships don't die from distance overgating even if you're not IT

From my experience that's unfortunately not correct. Ships DO wanish by distance overgating, but not so often as by mass overgating. To prove this you can try to overgate chaff through 100/250 gates 500 LY far and you'll lose some.

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What's the formula for how much less damage ITs take?

AFAIK IT takes the same damage, but it does NOT lose ships until they end below 100% damage.

BR, Iztok

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Re: IT gating Tue, 21 October 2008 22:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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tested

I just tested many moves of 133 chaff with IT through any/300 ly, overgating up to 800 ly (as far apart as my gates were in this testbed)

I never lost a ship.

Also, as IT, I regularly distance overgate, and have *never* as far as I recall, lost a ship.

I also regularly weight overgate slightly through 100/250 gates. This is much less often. I have not paid much attention, but again have not noticed any ship loss. I only slightly weight overgate with privateer colonizers and superfuel exports.

I have tested and am sure IT does not loose any (or at least as close to 0 as to be effectively 0) ships from distance overgating through an any/300 gate.

I have not tested, and am thus not sure about ship loss when weight overgating.

naz

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Re: IT gating Wed, 22 October 2008 07:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What Iztok meant was that for non-IT races ships can vanish from distance overgating. As you should find if you repeat the tests with a non-IT non-HE race. Twisted Evil


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Re: IT gating Wed, 22 October 2008 10:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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HE's can gate just the same as any other non-IT race. They just cannot build gates.


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Re: IT gating Thu, 23 October 2008 11:08 Go to previous message
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Yes they can use gates - but using HE races when testing out the effects of gates is signifcantly more hassle than any other race Confused

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