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Big Cheese

Wed, 23 April 2008 14:24

DenHam

Chief Petty Officer

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Registered: January 2006
Location: New York

The Big Cheese game is a game with:

Annonymous Players
Only 1 ally allowed at a time.
No Agreements with nonallies
Only in-game messages were allowed. Private messages were only allowed between allies.
After 2450 the player in first place (The Big Cheese) wasn't allowed to have any allies.

This game required a nonplaying host (me). Cool

In the year 2530 the Wormoids met one of the winning conditions (owning 115 planets). Winning conditions were added to prevent the game from dragging on too long.

It was an interesting game. I welcome comments by the players on the game.

The Universe is usually not fair.
That would be too easy.

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Re: Big Cheese

Wed, 23 April 2008 15:05

kado.pl

Crewman 2nd Class

Messages: 19
Registered: December 2007

Hello.

I was playing The Empire. The game was interesting for me as I was at war almost all the time. This was a good experience. Probably the rest of players will tell that I had a chance to help defeat Worms and I will answer - it's true. But Worms helped me much at the beginning and I trued to be a bit loyal, beside everybody around were hostile. So I have chosen not to fight worms, as I was sure to be attacked by Darkness and Dogmadogs as well.

So..maybe some words about the other races from me.

1) Wormonoids - I had no other choice than to be friendly and polite. Even monster need somebody a friend. Weak Empire was good one.
2) Asgard - my first ally but unfortunatelly useless for the Empire attacked by the Worms. SO I broken alliance and he attacked me.
3) Darkness - joined to Asgard and started our loing war. Fortunatelly, SD has good defensive capabilites so I managed to stop them, and after a time even win planets.
4) Dogmadogs - packets were even dangerous but this tactics cannot work for a long time. And didn't. He tried to force me to attack worms but it finally revealed against Dogmadogs.
5) Ghurkas , looked nice in final stats but war against strong Worms pulled them down in the game.
6) Atlanti, I havent't see much but I can only speculate that invested too much minerals early in heavy battleships and that stopped him. Right ?
7) PODs - no contact, but thanks to him the Wormonoids became threat #1 what IMHO rendered the other races to be neutral to each other than try to expand.
Cool

Altoid - have no idea what to say ...
regards
Kado aka your beloved Lord V.

P.S. If someone would like to look into my files - please write me: wojtek.drazek@gmail.com

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Re: Big Cheese

Wed, 23 April 2008 15:09

dbustin

Civilian

Messages: 3
Registered: August 2007
Location: Canada

I played the Ghurkas...as a rookie I made a few early mistakes that were tough to recover from but had a solid ally in the Atlanti. We lost the arms race by maybe 10 turns, and I was surprised the impact that had on the rest of the game.

I would like to see a few minor chages which I'll detail when I have more time, but overall I think the Big Cheese idea is a fun one.

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Re: Big Cheese

Wed, 23 April 2008 15:28

dbustin

Civilian

Messages: 3
Registered: August 2007
Location: Canada

Kado said: "One I can say here, I don't think Worms manipulated the score. And I can add one thing to this what I described on the forum.I could fight worms but before that I had to stop the Darkness. Trying doing that Dogmadogs attacked me. When I could turn back and attack worms the game finished. I couldn't throw my ships against worms and have no protected borders. So when Dogmadogs attacked me I had 200 nubs against 700+ worms' ships. When Dogmadogs' accelerators in range were silent and I had near 1000 nubs and had a chance to defeat worms it was too late to return."

First Kado, the worm definitely manipulated the score, but it was very smart on their part to do so, in fact it may have been the single largest factor in them winning.

Second, I cannot speak for the Darkness and Dogs, but I think if there was at any point a sense that you would direct your attention towards the Worms, tensions would have eased somewhat at least in anticipation of the response. I never expected you to be able to stop the Worms early on, only to confound them and make them think about another direction. We were all already fighting the Worms at that time.

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Re: Big Cheese

Wed, 23 April 2008 15:44

DenHam

Chief Petty Officer

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Registered: January 2006
Location: New York

dbustin wrote on Wed, 23 April 2008 15:28

First Kado, the worm definitely manipulated the score, but it was very smart on their part to do so, in fact it may have been the single largest factor in them winning.

The Worms did not manipulate the score. The Atlanti had more than double the resources of the Worms when they took over first place!

Unfortunately for the Atlanti, the Wormoids had Nubians and the Atlanti did not. The Atlanti lost several key battles in consequetive turns under the prior Atlanti leader's control and ultimately lost the lead. Perhaps if they waited until they had much larger fleets they could have won battles but I don't know if that is true.

At one point the Wormoids fell into third place behind the Empire and the Atlanti.

The Empire almost took over first place in 2509. They were 56 points out of first place and gaining more points per turn than the Wormoids. After 2509 the Wormoid expansion increased.

The Universe is usually not fair.
That would be too easy.

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Re: Big Cheese

Wed, 23 April 2008 15:51

kado.pl

Crewman 2nd Class

Messages: 19
Registered: December 2007

I was technologically backwarded to the worms. When I was equal it was too late. Btw, worms helped me much with techs. I do think that If I'd turn against worms the rest could be too strong after what would result worse score for me. I'm happy to be 2nd as I was in really bad situation when started defending against Asgard/Darkness. Smile

Kado

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Re: Big Cheese

Wed, 23 April 2008 15:54

DenHam

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Registered: January 2006
Location: New York

dbustin wrote on Wed, 23 April 2008 15:09

I played the Ghurkas...as a rookie

I would like to congratulate Don in his leadership of the Ghurkas. There were three rookies in this game. You were the only rookie to survive.

The Universe is usually not fair.
That would be too easy.

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Re: Big Cheese

Wed, 23 April 2008 15:54

dbustin

Civilian

Messages: 3
Registered: August 2007
Location: Canada

Wow! I stand corrected.

I would not have guessed that it was possible for the Worms to have lagged that far behind in resources and yet still be winning the tech race. The Atlanti must have had one crappy ally. Rolling Eyes

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Re: Big Cheese

Wed, 23 April 2008 17:45

m.a@stars

Commander

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Registered: October 2004
Location: Third star to the left

Losing the tech race by 10-12 turns wasn't the key. Wasting most of their mineral reserves in warships that had nearly no chances to beat the Worms was worse. Wall Bash

Having too few minefields to even try to slow down the Worm onslaught didn't help things either.

For the Atlanti, becoming the Big Cheese at a most inconvenient moment was just the last nail in the coffin. Shocked

So many Stars, so few Missiles!

In space no one can hear you scheme! Deal

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Re: Big Cheese

Wed, 23 April 2008 17:47

m.a@stars

Commander

Messages: 2765
Registered: October 2004
Location: Third star to the left

DenHam wrote on Wed, 23 April 2008 21:44

The Worms did not manipulate the score. The Atlanti had more than double the resources of the Worms when they took over first place!

And that did happen purely by chance? You know for sure that nobody loaded a significant chunk of their pop onto freighters to send them to the front? Rolling Eyes

So many Stars, so few Missiles!

In space no one can hear you scheme! Deal

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Re: Big Cheese

Fri, 25 April 2008 14:23

kado.pl

Crewman 2nd Class

Messages: 19
Registered: December 2007

I think this is not important wha was Big Cheese at the moment. You lost most key battles. I don't think it would be big difference if you were allied - Ghurkas and Atlanti at that moment, you in fact were friendly and became allies later. Would be it difference if Wormonoids were Big Cheese ? I don't think so. Envoy played smart game and that's it. The fact the rest didn't like him is arbitrary. Try to reconcile with that as respectable commander should do. Very Happy

peace
Kado

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Re: Big Cheese

Fri, 25 April 2008 18:11

m.a@stars

Commander

Messages: 2765
Registered: October 2004
Location: Third star to the left

kado.pl wrote on Fri, 25 April 2008 20:23

I think this is not important wha was Big Cheese at the moment. You lost most key battles.

Sorry, that wasn't me. But I know what you mean. Rolling Eyes

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I don't think it would be big difference if you were allied - Ghurkas and Atlanti at that moment, you in fact were friendly and became allies later.

Wrong. Ghurkas and Atlanti had been allies and were busy transferring Const tech. Breaking that delayed the Atlanti defensive shipbuilding by 10 crucial turns. Even so, it was pretty close. The Worms could have lost the last battle. Shocked

Awesome difference.

Quote:

Would be it difference if Wormonoids were Big Cheese ? I don't think so. Envoy played smart game and that's it. The fact the rest didn't like him is arbitrary.

Ah, but he had a faithful ally just when he most needed to have one. A secure border and all his minor enemies kept busy. That was really smart of him. I'm not so sure it was so smart of his ally. Sherlock

Quote:

Try to reconcile with that as respectable commander should do. Very Happy

peace
Kado

All my respect goes to the Worms. At least they played to win. Twisted Evil

So many Stars, so few Missiles!

In space no one can hear you scheme! Deal

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