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| Methods of Claiming Territory |
Sat, 23 June 2007 03:32  |
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I've been wondering, what's the best way to stake your claim on a swath of space?
I've tried colonizing a parameter around my HW. But people don't seem to respect that. They charge in and pop drop me if they don't like me, or whine about my choices if they don't want to fight immediately.
I've also tried colonizing only the worlds I can use. But if I'm next to an -f he may just sneak in and take my land anyway. Which has happened before.
The only other option is mine fields, but non-SD's using mine fields is not so easy in the early game. Scout hulls are junk for setting mine fields, only the frigate can do a good job early game. And even then it's a costly affair.
My only other idea is to colonize all the reds with 25,000 per planet. But that would drain my economy horribly.
What method works best? Or have I missed one?
Suggestions?
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| Re: Methods of Claiming Territory |
Sat, 23 June 2007 03:58  |
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Generally, good diplomacy with neighbors is the best early method.
For games where that doesn't work (or isn't allowed), power is the best method. Be stronger than the neighbors - or be tri-immune HE with good econ settings. 
Mines is one option for establishing your land grab. In that case, SD is the best choice for the PRT. However, using a decent HG/HP combo with start at 3 checked and cheap con will get you to the frigate and minelayers quite quickly.
Lastly, you can use xray lasers on DD hulls with maneuvering jets early on and destroy anything that enters your desired space - alternately, do the same thing with yaks if you are WM.
One other note is race design - more races end up right shifted in all three variables since more points are gained there for other things - go left for one or 2 variables and your planets are not very attractive to other races.
Ptolemy
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| Re: Methods of Claiming Territory |
Sat, 23 June 2007 05:10 |
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Wise words. Perhaps I've been to lax in letting others see my space. I always thought that early hostilities brought enemies. Such as blasting down every scout that entered my space. Half the time I can't see them coming because they're planet hopping. Does that mean I have to build a destroyer for every world on the edge of my space? That could take a LOT of resources if I had say 20 boarder worlds to protect.
If I'm an IS, how can I get the tech soon enough to protect my space with DD's? Is start at 3 the only option?
I'm just tired of getting trampled by my neighbors. And this is me seeking "professional help."
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| Re: Methods of Claiming Territory |
Sat, 23 June 2007 07:11 |
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| Captain Maim wrote on Sat, 23 June 2007 09:32 |
I've been wondering, what's the best way to stake your claim on a swath of space?
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Like previous posters said, there are only two methods: diplomacy and force, but the best results yields a combo of both. Like:
- you give early warning to aproaching scouts, and then destroy some, that don't turn back (display of force - if it's real or just faked doesn't matter - your neighbours can't know at that time ).
- You also pop-drop a colony or two and all "flag-plants" (2500 pop colonies) in "your" space - again a display of force.
- Then you issue a diplomatic notice you're ready to "trade" some border planets, but no intrusion into your space (give a border here) without your explicit permission will be tolerated.
- Then after quite some turns of trade negotiations (best is Stars! message system, because it runs so slowly ) you get more info on the environment and neighbours, and can decide who's peer, predator or prey.
Pros for that method: for some initial investment (start @ 3, some x-laser DDs and 100-200k pop you can buy 10 or more turns of "peacefull" development, as your -f neighbour could try to find another, less "tough" target. If you don't do that, you'll be crippled and eaten by him anyway. Scout killing is often not viewed as a "cassus belli", but is usually retailiated.
Cons to that method: you lose some early ramp-up turns for getting needed tech, and 60 RW points for start @ 3, and you still don't know, if that method will actually work. An aggresive -f JoaT can quickly deduce your actually strenght and just keeps fighting you. 
Another metod is pure diplomacy: open border with full intersettling (helps if your hab is quite extreme in at least one environment), "I'm weak now, but will help you in the future with my ... (for shared victory)". You actually don't give your fast neighbor a reason to attack, but many reasons to leave you alive. That's more possible in aliance-victory games. But you still don't know if that will actually work. Your neighbour can have similar hab to yours, and he could profit more with an easy kill than with cooperation.
So IMO the best method is to BE strong, play accordingly, and dictate the course of the game. 
BR, Iztok
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| Re: Methods of Claiming Territory |
Sat, 23 June 2007 07:38 |
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Shoot scouts with warning. Tech 3 start. Flex a muscle and hope they shy away. Anything else?
I've gotten really good at agressive scouting, I haven't shot down scouts because I don't want mine shot down. But if shooting them will make me less attractive than I'm willing to take that risk. I'll just send more scouts than is necessary to scan their space.
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| Re: Methods of Claiming Territory |
Sat, 23 June 2007 12:08 |
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Hi Capt.
I'm only in my 1st game but I gave this a lot of thought as I designed my race, and tactics for it.
1: Have at least something a little unusual about your hab if you have an econ based race. Something shifted left maybe, or temp/rad immune instead of grav immune. Centered habs is good only if you're going to be able to fight early with QS, WM or -f.
2: Scout early and claim your breeders. This is much more critical than protecting the rest of your space at 1st.
3: Scout early and locate your neighbors. Start friendly negotiations as early as possible, and find out their habs.
4: Make solid agreements and stick to them. Make sure your NAPs include clauses that prevent settlements within your core space and planet blocking. Nothing makes me more reluctant to sign a long term NAP than the thought of not being able to remove 2500 pop from that 97% green world just because he got their 1st.
5: Display force early to gain your neighbors respect, by escorting your longer colony runs with a few X-ray DDs.
6: Have a reasonable fleet ready by the time space starts to run out, so you can defend your border.
7: Don't play a race that's marked as a priority target unless you've got an aggressive game plan. CA, HE, and ARs are high on the target list because they all are much easier to stop early, rather than later.
8: Colonize in force, at least 50,000 pop.
9: If you have some neat PRT toys you can use them to gain the favor of your neighbors, even buy off your enemies  .
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| Re: Methods of Claiming Territory |
Sun, 24 June 2007 01:17 |
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| Iconian |
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Hi Captain Maim,
I'd like to say I agree with everyone else's suggestions on this thread, as far as I recall. All good ideas. I'm going to talk a little bit about my preparations and gameplay in Hardheads (the game I'm hosting). That game's still going, but the era that most of this applies to is long since past.
SHIP DESIGN: Ptolemy's suggestion for the DD's with X-rays and MJ's is very good. When I started I decided I wanted an interceptor ship that could take down pesky scouts, colonizers, medium freighters, and even LF's if need be. I looked at several different designs and finally opted on one with 1 Fuel Tank, 1 MJ, and 2 X-rays. This turned out to be a bad idea though, at least in my situation. I put the tank on because I thought I'd need more fuel. It turned out that the expansion of my colonies and such was fast enough that fuel didn't matter for long. 2 MJ's and 2 X-rays would have been a much better idea. However, neither design would really have done much good in my case. The primary race I had to contend with was a WM, and even 2 MJ's and an FM on a DD isn't even fast enough to catch their scouts. Before starting I'd known the design was weak against a WM, but I figured odds were good enough that I wouldn't face one that I'd go with it anyway. Oh well.
One other useful ship design can be colonizers based on DD’s, with a colonization module and cargo pod. They’re more expensive than standard colonizers, but they can be worth it, particularly for the defense—both the psychological effect and the strength of the armor. With the right loadout they also have better fuel efficiency than standard Santa Marias.
As to the cost of so many DD’s and their economic drain, remember that they don’t need to be at every border world at once. You can set up patrols for them if you like, or use scouts as spotters effectively to increase their LOS and give you advanced warning to prepare your attack.
MILITARY STRATEGY: The strategy you use is also important. Let's say you've built 10-20 of those DD interceptors around your planets. Where will you put them? What I decided I would do was build a shell. The DD's would go out as far into space as they could, with colonization fleets and such, or just with their own fuel. They'd use up say 80% of their fuel and then enter orbits around some planets far from home, say 200-400ly away. Nearby scouts at other planets would keep watch for enemy ships entering the area, and the DD's would be given intercept orders for them.
The shell, or border, that you've created is far from your homeworld. It may take you two decades to even colonize all those planets inside the shell. To a large degree, it's an empty shell without much support underneath. If you do happen to lose some of these forward DD interceptors, it could take you several years to build more of them and send them out to replace them. Time-to-front is very high. And it's all in the name of power projection--this sort of strategy will certainly help you project power. Other races will look at their ships getting shot down by your DD's and may well turn away from you, and thus you will have avoided a potential conflict. Some might not turn away, but this strategy is probably worth it for those that do.
DIPLOMATIC STRATEGY: So, now you've built up your fleet of ships and sent them off to create a shell for your race. However, you might be wondering, "Isn't shooting those ships down likely to start a war? I'm trying to avoid war." This is quite correct. And wars can be unavoidable. But again, with good preparation you might be able to stave one off. As you meet new races, warn them that if their ships enter your territory, they might be shot down. Don't necessarily outline your territory at this stage, or tell them that you've put up a shell of ships far from your homeworld. Just tell them you have a dozen or two warships patrolling for enemies, and that if their ships get close they'll be shot. However, don't be too mean when you do this. Along with the threat y
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| Re: Methods of Claiming Territory |
Sun, 24 June 2007 02:43 |
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| dethdukk |
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I agree with most of the opinions here. My personal idea is: Colonize all the planets you can with colonizers, all the ones you want to keep, back up with at least 25k, 50k is better. Also, if the game allows allied victory, find a player who has a different habitability than you, become freinds, and offer intersettlement. This ussually results in about double your starting space, and a reliable ally in late game. Or some major backstabbing, which, if you survive, could also be fun too. Such as, you are obviously the winning team, so you and your ally decide to go at it to see who wins. Usually goes fats because of how intermingled you are. Of course, there are the few games where te person seems to agree, then tries to kill you off after taking all your space while giving you none. but those are few and far between, and the results are ussually worth the risk.
Edit: having another person in your space taking up planets also removes from the number peaple you dont want in your space can settle. But you want to make sure your habs dont line up too much...
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| Re: Methods of Claiming Territory |
Sun, 24 June 2007 03:17 |
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| Iconian |
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Pre-emptive diplomatic strike:
From Gooberzoids
To: LandGrabbingAliens
Further to our communication 4 years ago, since we have not been in receipt of a communication promising payment, we accept your donation of minerals a potential tech gain at Wanker's Corner. This will take place next year.
Should you need to discuss this matter urgently a subspace transmission channel has been opened for you on emailid AT address DOT com
From: Gooberzoids
To: Everyone
Please be advised that the LGA have generously donated a colony at Wanker's Corner to the Gooberzoids. The Gooberzoids will be reclaiming WC from the the LGA next year subject to last minute negotiations. Wanker's Corner is a planet that clearly lies within the Gooberzoid sphere of influence since it lies less than the halway distance from our HW to that of the LGA's. Please be advised that they and all other races may scout freely within Gooberzoid space unless otherwise indicated. Expressions of interest in Wanker's Corner or other planets of interest from our other neighbours are welcome.
Alternatively, you could just make the first message, or variation of it public (perhaps by accident ).
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lmfao
That was just supposed to be an example. But . . . I'll humor you, at least until the thread gets mad 
From: LGA
To: Everyone
The LGA are most disappointed in Gooberzoid conduct of late. In 24XX the LGA colonized Wanker's Corner. Wanker's Corner is closer to the Gooberzoid homeworld as they stated, but it is our planet. We did not take it by force from them or any other race, but scouted it out and colonized. Now the Gooberzoids are stating that we donated the planet to them. This is a lie, and our hearts are panged that they would stoop to such ill behavior. Should they continue in their pop drop on Wanker's Corner next year, this will not be an act of reclamation (as they have also lied about, since the planet never was theirs), but one of forward hostility on their part.
In 24XX we received a message from the Gooberzoids stating we could purchase WC from them, even though we had already colonized it, and that they were dispatching a ship to take over the colony. We immediately replied requesting that they not continue with their attack. They made no reply to that message until this year, when they stated in a private message that they would be taking over the colony next year.
It disturbs us greatly that they would consider committing this act and attempt to justify it by issuing their public message with its lies. However, perhaps the most disturbing part is that they clearly stated in their original message to us about Wanker's Corner that this sort of behavior is right in line with "standard Gooberzoid policy." We shudder to think of how many other races may have been dealt with in such a low and underhanded manner. We could have hoped that we were the first, but we hardly think that likely considering those words. If others have been treated in like, we call upon them to voice to all other races the details of their communications with the Gooberzoids.
The primary purpose of this message is to inform the Gooberzoids that if they do wish to purchase WC, we are willing to negotiate over it. We will not donate the planet to them, however. The planet has a very good environment for our colonists, with a value of 85%. If they do wish to purchase it, the cost would be fairly high, but we are willing to consider parting with it, and we will offer them a price we believe fits its value. We hope that the Gooberzoids are willing to pay us to purchase this planet that we own, and are not solely intent upon stealing the planet from the LGA.
From: LGA
To: Gooberzoids (email and in-game)
The message would almost be an exact duplicate of the public message, except with additions about the price the LGA would sell WC for. For an 85% planet it would probably be rather high. However, it wouldn't be an unimaginable cost, in case the Gooberzoids really did want to buy it. However, we're still operating
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| Re: Methods of Claiming Territory |
Sun, 24 June 2007 05:25 |
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I find this fake interplay of two fictional races to be most entertaining. Reminds me of so many negotiations I've been in.
What about races with huge habs like 1 in 3 such that virtually everything's available at +-15%? Do habs like that conflict with others too badly to be worth using?
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| Re: Methods of Claiming Territory |
Sun, 24 June 2007 11:40 |
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| dethdukk |
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What about races with huge habs like 1 in 3 such that virtually everything's available at +-15%? Do habs like that conflict with others too badly to be worth using?
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Actually, no. I am currently playing in a game in which I have a 1/3 hab, along with a -f race, so I dont have any germanium requirement. It is actually quite a diplomatic race, planetwise. Because you have such a big hab, and know that you will be able to colonise almost everything, you are willing to give up quite a few planets. The only ones you want to hang on to are the 80% or higher planets, the rest are everywhere, so giving up 5-6 doesnt even matter. Because others ussually have a smaller range, you can find lots of planets that they arnt using, and with a -f race, the extra space really helps.
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| Re: Methods of Claiming Territory |
Sun, 24 June 2007 13:08 |
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| mlaub |
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| Captain Maim wrote on Sat, 23 June 2007 06:38 |
Shoot scouts with warning. Tech 3 start. Flex a muscle and hope they shy away. Anything else?
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I might overlap with other posters here, sorry bout that.
Use throw away ships (scout with a bat scanner, maybe just an engine) to use as listening posts in the early game. Put them everywhere there are avenues of infiltration, planet jumping avenues, in your territory. Monitor your neighbors intensely. These ships are pretty cheap, so just build them and put them out there.
Try to shoot down the other guys colonizers before they colonize (and like others say, try diplo and give a warning before). Seems simple, but most players fail at this. +100k of your peeps are worth more than 2 DD's in the early game. If you can't get the appropriate tech early enough, you need to re-evaluate your race design.
Concentrate on your breeders. When or if the other guy comes knocking, you will have more people to pop drop him off the worlds he takes (Assuming you let him through...). Then, stay on those planets, possibly even if they are red (if for no other reason, you now have a planet to trade with). They are most likely very green for him (of course you already know this from intense scouting, right?) The farther you terraform them away from his hab, the more likely he will never be able to take and keep them. If you aren't willing to fight for the planet, get off of it! or don't build up industry that he could use against you.
Many time, I will delay taking out a small (50k) enemy planet if it is in "my territory" simply because it will cost me as much as it will him. If I plant those people on a breeder, while monitoring that planets growth, I can choose the time precisely. Like 1 year before his 2 lg freighters arrive...and he has no colonizer along.  Pick up your remaining people and leave. Perhaps by the time he sends another colonizer, you will have warships.
If you do get in a pissing match, go for the throat. Pick the worlds close to you that have a gate or ship building capability and take them out. The faster you do this, the more probable the territory you want to keep will be yours permanently. You can "cleanup" those pesky 50k worlds later, so long as you have a scout around them, and can pounce if a SB is built. Obviously, you want to take out IT planets as fast as possible, but delaying action on other PRT's while you get bombers is reasonable. Well, so long as you don't allow them to gate a fleet to the planet.
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| Re: Methods of Claiming Territory |
Sun, 24 June 2007 17:53 |
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| Iconian |
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What about races with huge habs like 1 in 3 such that virtually everything's available at +-15%? Do habs like that conflict with others too badly to be worth using?
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IMO, yes. Big habs really aren't too worth it. Comparing, say, a 1/3 to a 1/6, the 1/3 has probably invested an additional ~200 RW points into its hab size. If the 1/3 and 1/6 races each manage to colonize, populate, build factories on, etc. all the planets they can in their territory, the 1/3 might have more resources than the 1/6, but not by a whole lot, since the 1/6 will have higher value planets. However, particularly in games with diplomacy, that will rarely be the case. Due to trading, each race will give up some of the planets it can colonize, both current and future greens. The 1/3 race is hardly likely to get all the planets it can live on. The 1/6 probably won't either, BUT, the 1/6 race is likely to be in possession of a greater percentage of the planets it is able to colonize than the 1/3.
For instance, for the 1/3 there might be 60 planets close enough to the homeworld to hold. Of those, 20 should be green. Its hab range is wide enough that if it has a nearby ally, it will probably trade a few of those greens away, so it might end up with 15 of the possible 20 planets it could have nearby--75%. The 1/6 race, on the other hand, would have 10 greens of 60 nearby planets, and might end up in possession of 8 of those due to trading--80%. And so on with smaller and smaller habs. A race with 1/12 would probably be able to get all 5 greens of the 60 or so starting planets nearby--roughly 100%. (This is particularly true if the race has extreme habs, in addition to them being small.) Those races with smaller habs have fewer planets available, and so they can concentrate their efforts more thoroughly amongst those few planets and be likely to get more if not all of them, whereas the races with really big habs have so many available early on that quite a few will probably slip through their fingers.
The result is that the races with smaller habs end up using their RW points more efficiently than those with larger habs. Those 200 or so points the 1/3 race invested in its hab will largely be wasted on planets that are going to be in the hands of other races anyway. The 1/6 invested the points somewhere else, like growth, factories, tech, or an LRT or two, and in the process made much more efficient use of its RW points.
One other good thing about a smaller hab is terraforming ramp speed. Let's say the 1/3 and 1/6 each start doing terraforming on their planets. The 1/3 does 10 terra on a planet, and that planet's value might go up by 10%. The 1/6 also does 10 terra, and its planet value goes up by 20%. The one with the smaller hab has its planet values increase much faster, which improves the growth rate more.
Terraforming is also faster with larger planet populations. Let's take an example where the race with 1/6 planets has 10 planets, and the 1/3 has managed to hold 20. Average population on the 1/6 planets is 300,000, and 150,000 on the 1/3 planets. Each race has about the same total number of people (3,000,000), but for one race they're spread out, while for the other they're more concentrated. Now, let's say each race has terraforming in its queue. In one year, the race with 1/3 will complete 20 whole units of terraforming, plus have 20 more units each about half done (on average). The 1/6 race will have 30 whole units of terraforming done that same year. That's 10 more units of terra for the 1/6 race than the 1/3 race, that will go into effect one year earlier--an improved planet value. Compound that same effect over time, and 20 or 30 years down the road the 1/6 race will have a higher total population and resources. This results simply from having more people on the green worlds every year.
-f races in particular can benefit more with smaller habs. A =f with a smaller hab can improve planet values faster than one with wider habs, and thus breed more people in total. With proper MM, +f races with
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| Re: Methods of Claiming Territory |
Sun, 24 June 2007 18:18 |
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| mazda |
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Hmm. Anyone else want to pick the bones out of the above ?
As a starter for 10 I'll go with :-
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If the 1/3 and 1/6 races each manage to colonize, populate, build factories on, etc. all the planets they can in their territory, the 1/3 might have more resources than the 1/6, but not by a whole lot, since the 1/6 will have higher value planets.
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This is just plain wrong.
Twice the hab means exactly that.
You have 2 breeders at 80% instead of 1, 6 small greens at 30% instead of 3.
Things do change after all terra has been performed, but for initial expansion and colonisation you get what you pay for.
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| Re: Methods of Claiming Territory |
Sun, 24 June 2007 19:22 |
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| mlaub |
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| goober wrote on Sun, 24 June 2007 16:51 |
A scout with a QJ5 and a laser can come in useful too. I call them Trigger's when made specifically for this job ...
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Well, you probably want to use x-ray laser, if you have it. Cheaper in mins at Weap6 and same res cost, and then you only have 1 chaff design.
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With a scout if they are not set to attack you or they are sneaking in a colony you won't necessarily see them unless you specifically check each planet.
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 You should always toggle the view to "normal view" once per turn and look around for fleets on and near planets. It's an easy visual check, that takes hardly a minute, as enemy ships will make the "orbiting ship circle" red, and broken into dashes. This avoids needing to use chaff then, and also avoids possible diplo foulups. Plus, I have a tendancy to test people I suspect aren't using the "normal view" by jumping fleets within 1 ly of a planet, and see if they notice the fleet. I have caught a great many opponets doing this tactic. I don't feel bad about it one bit, either. So, I'm probably not the only one... 
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Sun, 24 June 2007 20:23 |
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| mlaub wrote on Mon, 25 June 2007 09:22 |
Plus, I have a tendancy to test people I suspect aren't using the "normal view" by jumping fleets within 1 ly of a planet, and see if they notice the fleet. I have caught a great many opponets doing this tactic.
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*Makes a mental note to pretend not to see any of Matt's ships that are within 1ly of a planet.
On the original point - there's no substitute for not looking like a soft target. If you can't build many warships, at least build some. You might never use them, but it's worth just showing that you aren't a lamb waiting for a date with a wolf... Hopefully the wolves will go eat someone who isn't willing to sacrifice a little ramp up time in order to stay alive, lol.
Colonies of 2500 are meaningless.
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This is a hotter topic that I'd originally thought.
Would TT help 1/3 habs? I've noticed that doing terra 1% improvement didn't always produce 1% in planet's % value. Using TT I could get to +-15% pretty easily, and later on go up to 20 or 30%. At that point virtually all Greens can be 100%. That's GOT to be better than many narrow habs. And unlike the game I'm playing now, I won't be complaining about habitable planets because my tech is low and I'm pinned. I recall someone once telling me to use wider habs so you get immediate use of the planets, rather than terraforming them to green later. Plus you also can dump more people on a >5% green world than any yellow or red world and ramp it up faster as a result.
The only real pain I've found is my test design ended up with 16% growth, but I chose an IS race so maybe that's compensates for the low growth. Is 16% too low for an low HG (1000/10/9/13 no G) IS?
Cause it can go down to 1/4th and up to PRG 18% but I lose the ability to take nearly everything at +-15%, or doesn't that matter so much?
This would relate to the subject in the area of "holding onto land."
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Aside - I'd be reluctant to take under 18% with IS, simply because it dilutes one of IS's greatest strengths (IMO) - growth in space.
The benefit of TT in terms of cheaper terra is quite nice (don't rely on the higher limits, it'll be mid-late game before you can afford the research in bio to get them.) But it's an expensive LRT. In the topic of holding on to land, I'd say it's not all that relevant - the 'holding on' part happens before you develop the world. If you've been able to invest 1000+ resources into terra, then you've clearly had enough pop there and enough time to throw up some sort of orbital and maybe even a gate. If an armed orbital can't hold on to a world, you are at war and should be holding those borders with big fleets
IS (with decent growth rate) can turn around yellows and small greens pretty quick, since it can overpop quite casually... This means the benefit of TT isn't as critical, although with both overpop and TT terraforming you'd be able to turn worlds around frighteningly quickly.
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I like the sound "frighteningly quickly", I'll go with the 1/4th 18% then. Though I'll test both out to see what a more exact difference it makes. But I wasn't happy about 16% anyway.
I'm sure your right about holding onto land. If you've got a strong force there you've probably held onto the land. And if an armed fort isn't enough, yeah, I'm sure your at war as well.
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. They always attack an enemy that's trying to planet hop in your territory so you get a warning. With a scout if they are not set to attack you or they are sneaking in a colony you won't necessarily see them unless you specifically check each planet. 
