| Vorlon suggestion for the West |
Thu, 19 April 2007 20:47   |
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| Vorlon suggestion for the West |
Eastern side is sorted by other so here is the proposal for the West.
You have a couple of turns to think about it - during which we wont attack you with 2 exceptions the Drakh and an area specified below (will have ***around it***).
West
Pisces - remains a Gate world
below the territory is VA above IA.
Then border runs Smorg - Fizbin -little Brother (all these are our planets)
(Crazy hourse and Frost stay with the Llort - Lever either stays with Llort or is considered in the Pac/Spoo side of the border - by the time we get up this high its all pretty much academic as this is Shadowland).
You should vacate below Pisces!
***Below Pisces we will continue our assault (though we will try to hit Drakh worlds first where practable)*** This is because you may feel you got there first, we feel its ours and you sneaked in colonisers without enough strength to hold on to it - we are proving this by taking it back.
Re Drakh we will wipe them out our side of the Border, you can wipe them out your side (or we could do it for you). If you want to keep the Drakh, pay us 3K of each mineral and we will leave them alone on your side of the border - minerals that you leave on vacated worlds can count towards this total. Drakh homeworld we hope to take shortly after our bombers arrive.
Vorlons
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I'll go with the West when they decide to accept such an "offer".
But I rather think this Vorlon offer is as ridiculous as were the suggested Llort borders... which means if you want to refuse this "offer" and want to fight it out, I'll go with such a decision, too. The bad thing, it will make the game even longer when the Vorlon alliance insists on, whyever, conquering the whole south first before going vs the Shadows. Actually I haven't got a clou why they don't gather some fleets, gate them up north and conquere the Shadow HW.
I must say I am a bit fed up with diplomacy. Too much work, too much writing and basically for... nothing. If full scale war erupts, we should really try to kill off Earth. That would somehow make me feel better.
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| Re: Vorlon suggestion for the West |
Fri, 20 April 2007 02:51 |
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If the Vorlons are talking about the Silver cluster only then I would probably accept evacuation of Nawk & Zucchini - if they want Silver I will probably reject the offer.
If they are talking about 20 planets then I couldn't possibly accept that & I will assume that they really don't want peace.
I'll take the couple of turns offered tho.
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| Proposed IA/VA NAP |
Mon, 23 April 2007 23:01 |
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I have included the east as well as the west but SPOO/Pak might have other ideas?
So let me know your opinions!
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IA/VA NAP/Border Agreement
If you have any additional suggestions please feel free.
Parties:
VA: Vorlon,Earth,Hyak,Ipsha
IA: Gaim,Llort,Pak'ms'ra,SPOOMUN Complat
NAP
Correct us if we’re wrong but, from recent statements, the VA wishes to take things carefully. With that in mind we suggest a simple floating NAP with a 5-year exit clause. By that we mean that the NAP is continuous but either side can activate the exit clause at any time. Should such activation be announced then the NAP continues for 5 more years & is then cancelled. For example, if the VA activates the exit clause in 2490 then the NAP ceases in 2495 (first attack orders possible in 2495, first possible battles appear in 2496 windows).
Border Agreement
Western Border: Canterbury (yours)-Smorgasbord(yours)-Fizbin(yours)-Little Brother(yours)
Eastern Border: Chubs(yours)-Elder(yours)-Oop Be Gone(yours)-Celt(yours)-Mountbatten(yours).
Eastern Intersettlement Area: between the Eastern Border & Elder-Abacus(ours)-Pluto(ours)-Oop Be Gone
South-North Corridor: South of the Little Brother-Chubs the area is exclusively VA. North of that line is an intersettlement area.
Exceptions
1. Any planet already colonised remains in current ownership. If planet swaps are possible then it should be discussed but both sides must be agreeable on a case by case basis.
2. Smorgasbord & Putty are both ceded to the VA.
3. Hollywood, Red Ball. The IA would not impede the VA in their endeavours but they must remain IA planets.
4. South East corner: Hyak should be reasonable in regard to planets that are marginal for the Hyak but good for SPOO/Pak. This will, however, be at Hyak discretion.
5. Shadow planets are considered neither VA, nor IA territory regardless of where they are.
6. the Llort will evacuate Nawk, Zucchini & Canterbury.
7. Pisces will cease to be a gate planet. The Gate Keeper will be asked to evacuate.
Armed Fleets
These may be placed at our respective planets but should otherwise remain 101ly from VA planets in the case of IA fleets & IA planets in the case of VA fleets except if given permission to do otherwise.
There is a general exception in the South-North Corridor. Armed fleets may move freely in that area so that Shadow objectives can be pursued.
Armed VA fleets may cross the border for the purpose of pursuing Drakh planet objectives but may not activate the NAP exit clause while armed fleets are within IA borders for that purpose.
Minefields
The IA will not lay minefields in the South-North Corridor while the NAP is active. This clause is immediately cancelled if the exit clause is activated.
Abel
IA scouts will remain at least 150ly from Abel.
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| Re: Proposed IA/VA NAP |
Tue, 24 April 2007 00:53 |
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I would rather keep the East out.
We have already agreed on a NAP with borders and everything since several years, we only need to sign it and are waiting for the West. No need at all to restart the discussion about the East-NAP by changing a single word.
Thus I would suggest, just do it for the West.
Personally I would had jumped for the West-NAP right after the Vorlon message. Just to anger Earth. I doubt that continued discussion will change your NAP-conditions to the better, rather to the worse.
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| Re: Proposed IA/VA NAP |
Tue, 24 April 2007 03:23 |
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| Altruist wrote on Tue, 24 April 2007 00:53 |
I would rather keep the East out.
We have already agreed on a NAP with borders and everything since several years, we only need to sign it and are waiting for the West. No need at all to restart the discussion about the East-NAP by changing a single word.
Thus I would suggest, just do it for the West.
Personally I would had jumped for the West-NAP right after the Vorlon message. Just to anger Earth. I doubt that continued discussion will change your NAP-conditions to the better, rather to the worse.
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OK, I just thought it would be neater if there was a single agreement.
I am not prepared to give up 6 planets, especially including one good green + 4 yellows. 2 yellows + a red is bad enough.
If this agreement is to be for the west only then how about this:
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IA (west) & VA NAP/Border Agreement
If you have any additional suggestions please feel free. Note that the Eastern agreement, which is understood to be already agreed, operates concurrently with this one. The agreements will begin & end (should it do so) concurrently.
Parties:
VA: Vorlon, Earth, Hyak, Ipsha
IA: Gaim, Llort
NAP
Correct us if we’re wrong but, from recent statements, the VA wishes to take things carefully. With that in mind we suggest a simple floating NAP with a 5-year exit clause. By that we mean that the NAP is continuous but either side can activate the exit clause at any time. Should such activation be announced then the NAP continues for 5 more years & is then cancelled. For example, if the VA activates the exit clause in 2490 then the NAP ceases in 2495 (first attack orders possible in 2495, first possible battles appear in 2496 windows).
Border Agreement
Western Border: Canterbury-Smorgasbord-Fizbin-Little Brother. All border planets are VA owned.
South-North Corridor: South of Little Brother the area is exclusively VA. North of Little Bother is an intersettlement area.
Exceptions
1. Any planet already colonised remains in current ownership except as in (4) below. If planet swaps are possible then they can be discussed but both sides must be agreeable on a case by case basis.
2. Hollywood, Red Ball. The IA will not impede the VA in their endeavours but they must remain IA planets.
3. Shadow planets are considered neither VA, nor IA territory regardless of where they are.
4. the Llort will evacuate Nawk, Zucchini & Canterbury.
5. Pisces will cease to be a gate planet. The Gate Keeper will be asked to evacuate.
Armed Fleets
These may be placed at our respective planets but should otherwise remain 101ly from VA planets in the case of IA fleets & IA planets in the case of VA fleets except if given permission to do otherwise.
There is a general exception in the South-North Corridor & in the area north of the Fizbin-Little Brother border area. Armed fleets may move freely in that area so that Shadow objectives can be pursued.
Armed VA fleets may cross the border for the purpose of pursuing Drakh planet objectives but may not activate the NAP exit clause while armed fleets are within IA borders for that purpose.
Minefields
The IA will not lay minefields in the South-North Corridor or at Stove Top or Yank while the NAP is active. This clause is immediately cancelled if the exit clause is activated.
Abel
IA scouts will remain at least 150ly from Abel.
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| Re: Talking to the Elders - Vorlon |
Fri, 27 April 2007 11:44 |
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Micha, you have got a NAP with Hyak, haven't you? Excluding the other VA-members?
btw: More or less each of us was attacked, exception Gaim... probably too far away.
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