| Gaining resources from battle but not a tech level |
Mon, 19 March 2007 19:24  |
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| alric |
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I always thought that if you get resources from a battle, you gain enough to get to the next tech level. I've just had a turn where I won the battle, gained resources, but did not get a tech level in that field.
Maybe it had something to do with in the same turn, I colonised a planet, gained resources in another field and that field gained a tech level.
I know that the more tech levels you have, the more it costs to gain another tech level elsewhere. Is it because I gained a tech level in another field, the resources I gained from the battle wasn't enough to get the tech level from that field?
Any explanation or is this a bug?
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| Re: Gaining resources from battle but not a tech level |
Mon, 19 March 2007 20:25  |
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You can only gain ONE free tech level in a given year - either through battle, invasion, or scrapping (either scrapping that you do or scrapping that someone else does for you).
If you gain research from battle, it gets reported as the precise amount of resources you need for the one level you gain.
Now, if you invade a planet from ships you have in orbit as a waypoint 0 task, that will happen before any battles happen and, if you gain tech from that invasion, you can not gain tech from a later battle.
Production (including research) happens in the turn processing before battle. So, if you are researching propulsion and only need 600 resources to get to level, you get to the next propulsion level. In a battle that happens in the same turn, you may very well get the same amount of resources you needed for the level you just researched - i.e. you are at prop 5 at the start of the turn, you researech prop 6 and have a battle with a ship with a prop 6 engine - you get the resources but have already researched the level.
It would be worth loading the previous turn and find out how many resources you needed for the next level of tech in the field you received resources in.
Of, if yo want, you can send me all the turn files (with your turn password) and the previous turn file and I will be able to provide a precise analysis of what happened to you.
Ptolemy
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| Re: Gaining resources from battle but not a tech level |
Mon, 19 March 2007 21:37 |
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 LEit |
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He didn't get tech from invasion, he got it from colonization.
I've never seen it before, but I think the tech gain check for colonization and battle (and invasion) happens at the same time, sometime pretty quickly after invasion. I do know that when you get tech from battle, scrapping, or invasion, what you get is the # of resources to get the next level, so it does make sense that you'd get only one from both colonization and battle. However, you should be very close to the next level.
Hmm, did the order of messages go: colonization, gain tech message, battle? This can't be right, battles happen before colonization.
That's what it sounds like from your message, but I'd have expected it to be battle, colonization, gain tech.
I'd like to know the exact order of messages you received.
You can get multiple tech from any event, it takes some work and/or luck...
If you get enough tech from colonization, you can get multiple levels of tech (4% HE does it often). Also, if you're researching one field and are close to that level, and have the next field set to something cheap, and you get tech from battle/scrap/invasion in the field you're researching, the excess resources get applied to the next field, which could get you a few levels in the right circumstances.
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| Re: Gaining resources from battle but not a tech level |
Tue, 20 March 2007 19:43 |
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| alric |
| Crewman 1st Class |
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Message Order:
Battle Report
Wreckage and resources gained in 1 field (the exact amount needed to goto the next tech level from previous turn file).
Ship dismantled (WP1)
Colonists now in control of planet
Colonists find strange artifact boosting research in another field
Scientists complete research in this other field
Field 1 is very close to gaining the level.
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| Re: Gaining resources from battle but not a tech level |
Tue, 20 March 2007 19:51 |
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Now that's interesting. So the timing of the check to see if your levels have changed after battles doesn't occur until a bit later in the ooe than one would expect...
The actual techs involved are probably relevant too - presumably it must be checking the techs in a certain order (presumably from top to bottom as shown in the research pane.
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| Re: Gaining resources from battle but not a tech level |
Wed, 21 March 2007 11:30 |
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| LEit |
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I've looked at the files, yes, it is exactly 10 resources from the next level (adjusted for cheap/normal/expensive field).
So, what happened is that the battle happened, and he got tech from the battle, and was given x resources to exactly get the next level (in a field he had no progress on for the current tech level). Then colonization gave a few hundred resources in another field (earlier in the en/we/pr/con/el/bio list then the tech he got from the battle). Then when tech was checked, the colonization tech pushed him over to the next level, and the battle tech therefore missed by 10 resources.
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