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End of offer 23.04, 9.00, last bids shown 20.04, 15.00
cost in race wizard points

Multi Contained Munition 8
Anti Matter Torpedo 2
Hush-a-Boom 11
Alien Miner 21
Multi Cargo Pod 5
Jump Gate 11
Multi Function Pod 3
Langston Shell 15
Mega Poly Shell 21
Enigma Pulsar 26
Mini Morph 1
Genesis Device 3


Current Time: Thu Mar 22 09:05:22 CET 2007
alien and genesis new bids

Current Time: Wed Mar 21 10:49:27 CET 2007
new bids added

Current Time: Tue Mar 20 12:48:13 CET 2007
new bids.
about comments, whoever wants to give one is free to do. It's just the ebay way, that every former customer of a ebay member can comment about and rate the member and his products.
Though no comments about the service and delivery make sense here, as this approach of MT is new, everybody here knows the quality of his products, so rating and commenting is permitted, though i will not comment further on this.

After game is finished players will of course be reminded to comment and rate the member MT and the quality, price and usefulness of his products, so future customers know whether MT is a reliable, cheap and high quality ebay seller.


Current Time: Mon Mar 19 12:24:48 CET 2007:
Changed bidding process to real Ebay, so real bids are kept, while displayed bids are just incremented by 1 - hope this allows players to check less often how prices changed. Changed bids for AMT,Hush, Alien and Enigma.


Prices improving 103 total.

96 points in total, although still several empty slots, MT is happy - with 96 points he can pay for 8 mines on his HW. With con 30 and 1.1 m people he gets around 700 kt mins per turn. If he can mine as long as game lasts, thats with 70 turns already 49000 kt mins. Maybe this will be more profitable than handing out stuff for 5000 kt each.

Included Mini Morph and Genesis, though they are less important.


http://starsautohost.org/sahforum/index.php?t=msg&th=338 2&rid=264&S=1a5fb2b144d2598e70daeb47bd83b48d&pl_ view=&start=0#msg_32004
@Ptolemy and all other jokers: read the game thread - equipping the genesis device to a hull might require serious modding.

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{mod edit: no longer a sticky}


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Re: MT ebay Tue, 13 March 2007 07:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sounds good - I'll take them all for every game Laughing

But, you forgot the Genesis Device Shocked

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Re: MT ebay Tue, 13 March 2007 12:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You forgot the Minimorph too! Not that anyone would want it...

[Updated on: Tue, 13 March 2007 12:49]

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Re: MT ebay Tue, 13 March 2007 13:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Minimorph might be worth a point, maybe two.

Anyone have a good link to a site with the MT parts, decriptions, tech requirements, and costs?


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Re: MT ebay Tue, 13 March 2007 14:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Academy, third sticky down.

http://starsautohost.org/sahforum/index.php?t=msg&th=70& amp;start=0&rid=220&S=ff323cd1d4af91de203ea91dfe595a 02

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Re: MT ebay Wed, 14 March 2007 02:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Coyote wrote on Tue, 13 March 2007 17:48

You forgot the Minimorph too! Not that anyone would want it...



As a hull can contain the "component" Minimorph only once, giving the minimorph by scrapping means a 0.5% chance, which means a happy 2000 regens for getting someone the minimorph.
That would be more regens than i expect for all other components together. As the minimorph is less important, i decided it wouldn't matter much to play without.

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Carn wrote on Wed, 14 March 2007 07:46

As a hull can contain the "component" Minimorph only once, giving the minimorph by scrapping means a 0.5% chance, which means a happy 2000 regens for getting someone the minimorph.
That would be more regens than i expect for all other components together. As the minimorph is less important, i decided it wouldn't matter much to play without.



2000 scrappings at a 0.5% chance gives a 1 in 22586 probability that the player does not get the minimorph hull, so it is unlikely that 2000 regens would be necessary. However, a 0.5% chance does mean that it would probably take too long to scrap enough of them for the player to get the tech.



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craebild wrote on Wed, 14 March 2007 08:06



2000 scrappings at a 0.5% chance gives a 1 in 22586 probability that the player does not get the minimorph hull, so it is unlikely that 2000 regens would be necessary. However, a 0.5% chance does mean that it would probably take too long to scrap enough of them for the player to get the tech.


I cover myself in shame, was to lazy to calculate exact expected number of regens. But ln(0.5)/ln(0.995)=138.28 so doing 138 regens gives a 50% chance to get minimorph, that is still too much for a rather unimportatnt MT part.
Comparing the more important enigma pulsar needs 14 scrappings to get a 50% chance, hush-a-boom, alien have 50% chance with 8 tries, the rest 7 parts just need 3-4 scrappings for the 50% chance.

Also the minimorph means 1 additional turn not done by players(sending out turn files, waiting for everyone to send them back and then do regens and send out again is bad for my motivation, i want to do all regens inside 1 or 2 days), as certainly minimorph has to be regenned alone for, because otherwise 2000 regens would be realistic.

And in turn 11 a 20% growth race is around 200000 pop, so they would feel an additional turn of not producing scouts.

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Re: MT ebay Wed, 14 March 2007 05:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Carn wrote on Wed, 14 March 2007 08:53

And in turn 11 a 20% growth race is around 200000 pop, so they would feel an additional turn of not producing scouts.

You could simply reset pop and mineral levels to 2400 with the zero tech hack ... (build LF, upload pop and minerals, delete the design) and start in for example 2410 as if it was 2400 ...

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Re: MT ebay Sun, 18 March 2007 09:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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To get the thread at top and start some hopefully confusing and price disrupting discussion:

What about alien miner and races with low mine or even -m settings?

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Re: MT ebay Mon, 19 March 2007 04:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lol.

This is EBay you know.
No meaningful bids will be made until nearer the deadline date and time.
I think that means it will be important that we know the exact deadline for final bids, and that possibly we need regular updates on the final day.

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Can we have clarification about how auction bids are working ?

Is the bid value a "bid up to value" or an actual bid ?

e.g. if an item has a largest bid of 20, and then someone bids 50, does the bid go up to 21 (with the possibility of increasing later if needed), or does it go straight to 50 ?

Also, if two people make the same bid then I assume the earlier dated one will win.

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Re: nature of the auction Mon, 19 March 2007 07:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mazda wrote on Mon, 19 March 2007 09:55

Can we have clarification about how auction bids are working ?



Yes.

mazda wrote on Mon, 19 March 2007 09:55


Is the bid value a "bid up to value" or an actual bid ?
e.g. if an item has a largest bid of 20, and then someone bids 50, does the bid go up to 21 (with the possibility of increasing later if needed), or does it go straight to 50 ?


Currently the bid will go up to 50 immidiately, but as i named this MT Ebay and it is more convenient for players, i'll switch to the other method now - i anyway keep now note of each bid players make.

And it will the last few days of bidding less complicated and time consuming.

mazda wrote on Mon, 19 March 2007 09:55


Also, if two people make the same bid then I assume the earlier dated one will win.


Yes, the order in my pm inbox decides, earlier wins.

mazda wrote on Mon, 19 March 2007 09:55


lol.

This is EBay you know.
No meaningful bids will be made until nearer the deadline date and time.



MT happily presents his bosses optimistic guesses about final prices and how much less minerals the universe will have compared to the ussual method of taking just a few thousand kt per item.

mazda wrote on Mon, 19 March 2007 09:55


I think that means it will be important that we know the exact deadline for final bids, and that possibly we need regular updates on the final day.



Of course.
There might be a later end of auction, because some family members had the idea this weekend for holiday exactly the week of the week the 12.04 is in.

Best if every player informs me, whether friday 20.4. 15.00 my time(everybody has to calculate that in own time, currently i have 12.36) will be ok for last update of bids and the final deadline for bids would be 9.00 monday 23.4., so everyone can use the weekend and this tool (http://stars.atlantissoftware.co.uk/data/custom/)
to test whether he can afford more or not.

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Re: MT ebay = sticky Mon, 19 March 2007 10:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I made this a sticky until the auction if finished. Keeps it a bit easier ...

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Are comments about the prices welcome? or should I keep quiet?


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Re: MT ebay = sticky Tue, 20 March 2007 04:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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LEit wrote on Mon, 19 March 2007 19:34

Are comments about the prices welcome? or should I keep quiet?

I think Carn is desperate for some comments about the prices.

After you ...

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Re: MT ebay = sticky Wed, 21 March 2007 11:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Multi Function Pod is currently underbid in my opinion.

It gives 30% cloaking, 10% jamming, and a maneuver jet.
The cloaking and the jamming aren't that important, but the jet is a huge benefit, because it's an electrical component, so you can stick a stack of them on battleships. They also help on destroyers, but by the time you can build them, you should have battleships also.

They are also good on beamer nubians because a stack of them gives 2.5 speed, but also gives some jamming and cloaking. And is lighter then a normal jet.

They're fairly low tech (elec 11, en 11, and prop 11) and cheap too.

It's probably not as good as the enigma pulsar, but I'd rate it higher then the Jump gate for example. The Jump gate is nice, but very high tech in a field you don't normally push, and the jump gate doesn't help in battle.



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Re: MT ebay = sticky Wed, 21 March 2007 17:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Alien miner looks pretty badly underbid... I suspect this could well prove to be the most valuable of all the MT items, given how a race can be designed to suit it's benefits...

-m races all of a sudden almost make sense.

OBRM AR anyone?


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Micha agreed to update bids(and hopefully understand my spreadsheet), while i'm away, so send any new bids also to him.

I'm away from tomorrow for 1 week.


[Updated on: Fri, 23 March 2007 08:36]

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Dogthinkers wrote on Wed, 21 March 2007 17:20

Alien miner looks pretty badly underbid... I suspect this could well prove to be the most valuable of all the MT items, given how a race can be designed to suit it's benefits...

-m races all of a sudden almost make sense.

OBRM AR anyone?


It is worth a heck of a lot to an AR but who wants to play it in a medium universe? Resources will be the limiting factor not minerals and with 8 players, your neighbor will be knocking off border forts before Con 10 is even researched.

The miner does have the advantage that is never goes out of style. Only other parts like that are the enigma pulsar and the hush-a-boom. (And maybe the MCM if it is ever fielded.)

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Re: MT ebay = sticky Fri, 23 March 2007 14:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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velvetthroat57 wrote on Fri, 23 March 2007 16:58

It is worth a heck of a lot to an AR but who wants to play it in a medium universe?

I have won medium/normal/10 players using AR. If not expecting too lot from it (most skilled people try to finish off AR early) then OBRM AR is well ... worth trying there. Nod

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Re: MT ebay Fri, 23 March 2007 17:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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why so much for the enigma pulsar? NRSE only gives me 37 points, for cost of 26 it's not much of a gain to buy and as the price increases normal ramscoops look better and better. there's only so much speed can do for you. better to use a light ramscoop and get agility instead.


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Re: MT ebay Fri, 23 March 2007 17:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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xyz32 wrote on Fri, 23 March 2007 22:13

why so much for the enigma pulsar? NRSE only gives me 37 points, for cost of 26 it's not much of a gain to buy and as the price increases normal ramscoops look better and better. there's only so much speed can do for you. better to use a light ramscoop and get agility instead.

The EP also gives you battle speed (+1/4 movement and 10% cloak) which saves you slots, so other parts can be added instead that make your ships stronger, and your ships are faster (and get the needed speed easier, like "get in SB range in the x'nd turn" or "retreat firing for missile ships") when your hulls are limited in slots.
Also the little bit of cloaking is somewhat nice ...

mch


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Carn wrote on Fri, 23 March 2007 12:31

Micha agreed to update bids(and hopefully understand my spreadsheet), while i'm away, so send any new bids also to him.

I'm away from tomorrow for 1 week.

I did not receive any bids so far ... of course could be there aren't any. Smile

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Micha wrote on Tue, 27 March 2007 14:59

Carn wrote on Fri, 23 March 2007 12:31

Micha agreed to update bids(and hopefully understand my spreadsheet), while i'm away, so send any new bids also to him.

I'm away from tomorrow for 1 week.

I did not receive any bids so far ... of course could be there aren't any. Smile

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