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Understanding Base upgrade costs Sat, 03 March 2007 21:50 Go to next message
gwellman is currently offline gwellman

 
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I'm trying to understand starbase upgrade costs. The first thing that is definitely true is that if you make a SB design that puts a new component in a previously empty slot, or one that adds more of a component to a partly filled slot, you pay exactly what you'd expect for that component. But after that, it's very complex. What the Help says - "you only pay the difference" does not seem to apply to the whole SB - if you move components from one slot to another, you'll pay for them as if new. Maybe the "only pay for the difference" rule is worked out slot by slot? Certainly upgrading 16 Colloidals to 16 Heavy Blasters in the same slot costs less than 16 Heavy Blasters.

Finally, hull upgrades are more confusing. There seems to be a discount to the new hull but it's not clear how much. Finally, there does appear to be some discount on retained components but again, it's neither 100% nor 0%. To go from a Fort with a gate to a bare Dock costs a certain amount. To go from the same Fort to a Dock bare-except-for-gate costs a different amount, but the difference in cost is way less than a gate. I'd expect the difference to be either zero (you get to keep the gate during the upgrade) or the full price of the gate, but instead in the exact case I'm looking at, it seems like about roughly 1/3 the price of the gate.

Are the full rules documented anywhere? Thanks in advance!

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Re: Understanding Base upgrade costs Sun, 04 March 2007 05:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
iztok is currently offline iztok

 
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Hi!
gwellman wrote on Sun, 04 March 2007 03:50

I'm trying to understand starbase upgrade costs.

I did a research in that issue and posted findings, but I can not find it anymore. Sad So I'll write from memory:

- all components on orbitals have 50% discount.
- upgrading to a different hull subtracts 50% of the cost of the original one empty hull from the cost of the new one. (dock 50 res --> ultra 400 res: you pay for ultra hull 375 res)
- upgrading a component to another component of the same type (like upgrading Delta torpedos (10i...5r) to Jihads (15i...8r)) you pay only for the difference in cost (in our case 5i...3r) for each upgraded torp, but ONLY of you upgrade the same slot. If you build a design with Jihads in another slot, you pay full price for those jihads.
- upgrading a component in the same slot to a different type costs almost full price.
- upgrading an already equiped hull to equiped hull of another type (jihad Dock to jugg Ultra) goes PER COMPONENT, regardless of slots (dock with 8 jihads upgrading to 16 juggs: you pay full price for 8 juggs and have a discount for those 8 that are upgraded from jihads). Costs just combine previous rules.

IIRC that should be all.

BR, Iztok

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icon5.gif  Re: Understanding Base upgrade costs Sun, 04 March 2007 06:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Taka Tuka

 
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Hi Iztok,

sorry for a possible stupid question Embarassed , but which slots are 'same' slots on the bigger stations? I'm not always sure, which slots are the new ones and which ones are the older, upgraded ones (i.e., if I upgrade a dock to a utra-station ...). Any hint?

Thx

Taka Tuka

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Re: Understanding Base upgrade costs Sun, 04 March 2007 07:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Carn is currently offline Carn

 
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Taka Tuka wrote on Sun, 04 March 2007 12:25

Hi Iztok,

sorry for a possible stupid question Embarassed , but which slots are 'same' slots on the bigger stations? I'm not always sure, which slots are the new ones and which ones are the older, upgraded ones (i.e., if I upgrade a dock to a utra-station ...). Any hint?

Thx

Taka Tuka


Simply make test designs, which have just one slot filled and look with which slot filled the upgrade is cheapest.

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Re: Understanding Base upgrade costs Sun, 04 March 2007 09:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Taka Tuka wrote on Sun, 04 March 2007 12:25

if I upgrade a dock to a utra-station ...). Any hint?

That upgrade goes by componet, not by slot (last rule).

BR, Iztok

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Re: Understanding Base upgrade costs Sun, 04 March 2007 12:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gwellman is currently offline gwellman

 
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Thanks everybody. What I really discovered as a result of this, is that I had an older Help file. The latest (1998) one explains it as Iztok did.

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Re: Understanding Base upgrade costs Sun, 04 March 2007 17:54 Go to previous message
Altruist is currently offline Altruist

 
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iztok wrote on Sun, 04 March 2007 11:38

- all components on orbitals have 50% discount.


ISB gives an additonal 20% cost reduction (= components cost only 80%). Both together:
0.5 * 0.8 = 0.4
So with ISB all components cost only 40%.

If you are a warmonger, weapons cost 25% less (= weapons cost only 75%). Together with ISB:
0.5 * 0.8 * 0.75 = 0.3
Paying only 30% of the ressources and minerals for weapons on bases... quite cheap.

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