at firs reading all these manuals here now I was excited to get into making a race that will get 15k resources per year... the laugh is that I hoped to see 15k in "Player Scores" by 2525. FDLOL ROFLMAO lololololol

so it's just 1500 resources, but that's not hard to get at all...

Ok I have a question though about HE. Is it possible to make a HE that will survive another race with high pop growht rate and is bent on ground assault???

however I look on it, it doesn't work out unless I maybe take 7% and 1 resource per 2500 colonists.

would going for 5%(that means 10% for HE)
or 4% be better off, yeah I know this race gets lotsa tech and lots of minerals(at least mine does) but freakin little pop and BBs are sitting there just for drooling.

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Neo the White wrote on Sun, 31 December 2006 22:12

Is it possible to make a HE that will survive another race with high pop growht rate and is bent on ground assault???

It is possible to made a HE that's unbeatable in tiny packed uni by (virtually) any other PRT. Check the duel race used by ccmaster at the duel year 2004.

But that ultra-speed design is really feasible only in duel conditions. All other 3-immune designs (4% and 5% PGR) are just too slow to stand against determinated high-growth opponent starting close to them. The 7%+ growth HEs are (at least IMO) too weak economically / technologicaly / mineralically to keep away stronger neighbours in late game. The 6% HE with a perfect pop management might survive an early assault (still not before turn 20), however it is not really strong in late game, so it's use is quite limited.

Well, your problem is not limited to just HE PRT. It's quite common for any game. Like: for a long-lasting slow tech game you field a slow HP race and your fist heighbour is a QS that's designed specifically to quickly kill such slow races. Or you field a fast -f and find yourself cornered between an agressive HG WM and a strong HG JoaT.
That's why most races for vanilla games are nowadays HGs: they can stand against a -f and survive, and are still significantly faster than HPs, so they can cripple them before they can harvest fruits of their bigger late-game economy.

The moral : don't bother with countering every neighbour you could imagine . Create a good race for given game parameters, make it a bit more resilient to early attacks and go play the game.

BR, Iztok

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Thanks for cool advice iztok and gible.

ok I have a game going on where I play HE, If later it feel like I will tell the specs and and other...

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The moral Deal : don't bother with countering every neighbour you could imagine Lurking . Create a good race for given game parameters, make it a bit more resilient to early attacks and go play the game.

okie-dokey

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Anyway I played 6% HE with my normal settings against AI players
to see if I'd stand a chance in this way.

Borg Union *changed later into Borg Burgers Industry
against Drakh 19% PRG JOAT and HG played by Drakhyulla


3i
factories were
resources 1/1000
15
9
25

and PGR 6% that makes 12%

my idea was to quickly grab planets, and oops it was a HG against me and JOAT as well.

Funny I thought that opponent played SS for I detected it's scouts only close to my HW (the only place with scanner) at the first time...
Anyway I surrendered in year 2433 or something as my HW was already attacked.. without me having defencive capabilites for that quick attack.

later by looking at the Drahyulla game files *OMBurgers* he got a wormhole from his space close to my HW
and then I was like not really thinking that I play against another person not AI
...so my attempt to see if my race stands a chance by playing it like against AI was futile from the start.

I ended up redesigning all my races for PBEM game and tried them against an univers full of Expert AIs, the game is a bit tougher, for AI will attack only in mid or late game.
but then CA fine tuned for PBEM game with 15% PGR and total resource limited to about 3500 per 100% planet. Then nice factory and mine settings makes still a supercool race to play against AI.

Borg Burgers - We got the best tech burgers and tech hot dogs for ya'r robots, And don't forget to try our warp9 juice

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The problem with bothering to fine tune a CA race is that most games ban CA. Others require handicaps - no total terraforming and a given number of left over points in the race wizard.

having noticed, too bad, eh? it's quite a fun race to play.

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Neo the White wrote on Sat, 06 January 2007 22:36

...and have maybe weapons normal as well.

Don't. Haven't you noticed that each generation of weapons is about 2.5 times stronger than the previous one? Haven't you noticed you'll need to pay 684,000 resources to get AMPs instead of 342,000? Is saving ~60 RW points worth that?
If you're not convinced, ask yourself how many ships one with weapons cheap can buy for 342,000 saved resources?

BR, Iztok

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