| Armageddon Damage |
Thu, 27 April 2006 11:53  |
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 LEit |
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Messages: 879
Registered: April 2003
Location: CT | |
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I recently had a battle where I had Doomsday and Armageddon BBs shooting at Nubians. The 42 Nubians were all in one stack, and most of my BBs were in single ship stacks (IT gating in recent production).
The damage was a bit odd...
First my 3 16 Doom BBs shot doing this damage:
630/840 (some damage going to another stack) - armor damage is fine for 6 hits, shield damage should be at least the same as the armor however
1085/1260 - 9 hits, shield damage should be 1505
1085/840 - 6 hits, shield damage should be 1190
875/1260 - 9 hits, shield damage should be 1505
Then my 18 BBs (with 12 Arms each) shot, all in 1 ship stacks, doing this damage:
1573/1260 - 4.8! hits, should do 1732.5 shield damage
448/3780 - this is when shields fell (although the stack is still listed as having 1106 shields, no more shield damage is done till the last ship is killed)
2520 - 2.4 hits
2100 - 2 hits
0 - no hits
1260 - 1.2 hits
4620 - 4.4 hits
2520 - 2.4 hits
5460 - 5.2 hits
3360 - 3.2 hits
3360 - 3.2 hits
3360 - 3.2 hits
4200 - 4 hits
4620 - 4.4 hits
1260 - 1.2 hits
6720 - 6.4 hits
4200 - 4 hits
4200 - 4 hits
If I use 420 instead of 525 for ARM damage, that helps a little (420 is 1/500th of the total armor of the stack, but that should be the minimum damage, not maximum, and the Dooms worked fine at 280 damage):
1573/1260 - 6 hits, should do 1575 to shields
448/3780 - this is when shields fell
2520 - 3 hits
2100 - 2.5 hits
0 - no hits
1260 - 1.5 hits
4620 - 5.5 hits
2520 - 3 hits
5460 - 6.5 hits
3360 - 4 hits
3360 - 4 hits
3360 - 4 hits
4200 - 5 hits
4620 - 5.5 hits
1260 - 1.5 hits
6720 - 8 hits
4200 - 5 hits
4200 - 5 hits
If you consider that double damage doesn't apply because there are still shields left, things look even better, untill you consider that the 6720 damage would take 16 hits, and the BBs only have 12 missiles...
The nubians had 6 j20s on them (74%), and my ARM BBs have 3 SBCs (66%), so the jamming power is slightly higher then the computing power, reducing the accuracy to 27% (maybe 28%). So even getting 8 hits out of 12 is pretty high.
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| Re: Armageddon Damage |
Sat, 29 April 2006 12:39  |
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As others have mentioned, that leaves simplest factor to be | Quote: |
Any shots in combat (that do armour damage) will be rounded up to the next 1/512th
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16 missiles per battleship fire as three slots so damage may be rounded up to the nearest around 30 per nub with 5000 armour (5000/512 * 3). If he had a stack of 40 nubs that would be up to 1200 with more likely average of 600 as combo of 3 shots.
How many nubs did he have?
[Updated on: Sat, 29 April 2006 12:42] Report message to a moderator
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| Re: Armageddon Damage |
Sun, 30 April 2006 15:03 |
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It is still pretty odd to see...
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Not just odd, but useful to think about. Thanks.
My respect for Delta torps, jihad missiles, and anti-matter torpedos in nub era (nub has lots of slots) has gone up (especially with BET). I think we want less vague definition for "0.2% Minimum Damage" bug/feature.
Similar to chaff, this bug/feature moderately exploited may not all be bad, may lead to more spread out skirmishes, more tactics, more rock/paper/scissors in end game.
Perhaps a clear limit on how many different fleets and minimum weapons is needed for typical game to reduce disputes. 
[Updated on: Sun, 30 April 2006 15:04] Report message to a moderator
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| Re: Armageddon Damage |
Fri, 28 July 2006 01:40 |
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| JasonC |
 | Petty Officer 2nd Class
Stars! V.I.P |
Messages: 58
Registered: July 2006
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The damage to any ship is tracked as "% damaged", not as dp. And the fineness of the tracking is .2% at a time. So the dp are calculated, and then the damage level of the stack as it is hit, is raised by the number of 0.2% 's that dp of hit allows - immediately rounded, effectively, before the following shot.
Note also that firing is resolved per slot not per torp, full kills are determined from the single slot damages and subtracted from the dp inflicted, then everything left is applied to the stack not to a ship, raising its damage level not reducing its dp.
Sincerely,
Jason Cawley
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| Re: Armageddon Damage |
Fri, 28 July 2006 17:14 |
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| JasonC wrote on Fri, 28 July 2006 06:40 |
The damage to any ship is tracked as "% damaged", not as dp. And the fineness of the tracking is .2% at a time. So the dp are calculated, and then the damage level of the stack as it is hit, is raised by the number of 0.2% 's that dp of hit allows - immediately rounded, effectively, before the following shot.
Note also that firing is resolved per slot not per torp, full kills are determined from the single slot damages and subtracted from the dp inflicted, then everything left is applied to the stack not to a ship, raising its damage level not reducing its dp.
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We had a long conversation about all this (in the academy, thread title "Damage calculations") and came to the conclusion that the only way to get the results that the Stars! battle engine gives is to deal with torps individually.
The problems with doing things on a per-slot basis arise when you have inaccurate missiles that kill the target stack. How many missiles are available to target the next stack ?
If you have an answer to this then I'll be rebuilding my battle simulator PDQ.
Welcome back - it will certainly help to have some more real expertise in this area (assuming you're not a troll  ), rather than amateurs like me.
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