gible wrote on Thu, 20 April 2006 06:44

Wumpus has the ball!

Yup, all arrived safely.

This will take a bit more time than 'bidding' did though since there's a fair bit more to do Still, Gible will have the files on Monday if nothing disastrous happends here.

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Kotk wrote on Thu, 20 April 2006 00:46

512 planets ... it is a Large/Normal. Medium/Dense is 360 planets. Medium/Normal is 288 planets.

No, you're not confused, I was. I apparently went into the wrong folder of .map files when I did my count.

Kelzar wote on Thu, 20 April 2006 08:43

Well my impression of "pirate" just got downgraded to "pimple faced teenager in a canoe with a rusty BB gun and a butter knife"

As I recall the start of pirate discussion, you aren't limited to your tech levels. You just pay more to buy higher-tech items.

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Sure hope those techs ramp up fast.

They will unless the pirates keep the empires down - don't kill the goose that lays the germanium eggs, and all that. If you see a factory race, don't steal his G; an AR, don't steal his I; and the -f, hmm, just steal everything from him. Just like pirates themselves, those -f races.

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Kelzar wote on Thu, 20 April 2006 08:43

Well my impression of "pirate" just got downgraded to "pimple faced teenager in a canoe with a rusty BB gun and a butter knife"

Rather like your average software pirate

Marduk wrote on Fri, 21 April 2006 07:21

As I recall the start of pirate discussion, you aren't limited to your tech levels. You just pay more to buy higher-tech items. They will unless the pirates keep the empires down - don't kill the goose that lays the germanium eggs, and all that. If you see a factory race, don't steal his G; an AR, don't steal his I; and the -f, hmm, just steal everything from him. Just like pirates themselves, those -f races.

Correct on both counts. Its something of a toss-up really...buy expensive gear at the start and raid a HW, or wait a few turns for the prices to drop(and they will, empires will be scrambling for certain techs ASAP) and risk finding HWs defended. Of course, given the dangerous nature of a pirates life, it's entirely possible that taking your starting cash to a planet that no empire wants and hiding nearby for the rest of the game will be a pirate winning strategy

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[Updated on: Fri, 21 April 2006 01:35]

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wumpus wrote on Thu, 20 April 2006 20:24

gible wrote on Thu, 20 April 2006 06:44 Wumpus has the ball! Yup, all arrived safely. This will take a bit more time than 'bidding' did though since there's a fair bit more to do Still, Gible will have the files on Monday if nothing disastrous happends here.

And off it goes to Gible.

I asked him to double and triple check a few things, since this is the first time I've done any detailed *M* file changing ('bidding' was fairly trivial in that regard), and I'm hoping I didn't slip up. But in any case, this may mean it takes a little longer to make its way to Ron.

The text of the "Your homeworld is..." message you always get in 2400 is not correct for some players; this is for reasons I won't go into here, but suffice to say that it's not important - the MinConc "magic" and so on is all at the correct homeworld - IE the one you *really* start at, not the one claimed in the message.

Pirate M files haven't been redone; there's nothing for the pirates to do in 2400 anyway (no own ships and no planets ,-), so I'll let stars! take care of generating correct M files for 2401.

Have fun everyone

[Updated on: Sun, 23 April 2006 16:56]

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wumpus wrote on Mon, 24 April 2006 08:55

And off it goes to Gible. I asked him to double and triple check a few things, since this is the first time I've done any detailed *M* file changing ('bidding' was fairly trivial in that regard), and I'm hoping I didn't slip up. But in any case, this may mean it takes a little longer to make its way to Ron.

*Volley!* back to Wumpus for some (hopefully) minor changes

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wumpus wrote on Sun, 23 April 2006 16:55

I asked him to double and triple check a few things, since this is the first time I've done any detailed *M* file changing ('bidding' was fairly trivial in that regard)... The text of the "Your homeworld is..." message you always get in 2400 is not correct for some players; this is for reasons I won't go into here, but suffice to say that it's not important - the MinConc "magic" and so on is all at the correct homeworld - IE the one you *really* start at, not the one claimed in the message. Pirate M files haven't been redone; there's nothing for the pirates to do in 2400 anyway (no own ships and no planets ,-), so I'll let stars! take care of generating correct M files for 2401. Have fun everyone

Thanks a lot for your efforts !

I was just curious if you have been making direct editing of the *m files and not the pre-generation ?...

Perhaps this is not the place to discuss it but still I'd be very interested to learn how hard is it to do these kind of custom setups without generating all the turns... :

How did you put Gible's PC race on all the HWs ? and make it have all the tech in 2400 ?

Also do you have knowledge/experience in modifying the 2.7j.rc4 exe ? - The reason I am asking is that I am getting close to finishing my mod of the Stars!, but since I use StarsEd - I could only work with j.rc3

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We have a private game forum - the posting password is avastye . Thanx Ron

I'll keep the pirate techs post up to date, and will make a thread there with the game rules all in one post some time this week(probably tomorrow)

And, tentatively, we have all our starting pirates

(By Ron: Sure you want the posting password displayed in a public forum?? It means ANY registered HWF user could post to your Pirates forum, thus nulifying its 'private' nature.)
(By Gible: That was the idea yes )

[Updated on: Mon, 24 April 2006 15:52]

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Update!

The edited game files that Wumpus sent me had the problem that when a turn was genned, stars produced a corrupt .m1 file so I sent them back. However we've since dicovered that deleting the .m1 file before genning seem to work fine. So does creating some orders(you'd think I'd have tested that the first time wouldn't you ). I suspect/hope we'll be able to proceed with the game files as they are. To that end I've sent the 2400 .m files to the empire races, and asked for the .x file in return. 2400 .m files for pirates don't really exist so they will (likely) start with 2401 files and the time schedule I detailed above will be delayed by the one turn needed to reveal all the PC data that doesn't show up in the 2400 .m1 file.

I've also sent PM's to some of you asking for an email address to feed into AH. (I forgot about that little necessity in the modding madness )

Once I have the needed email addresses, and if the 2401 turn gens fine, with the Empire+PC .x files, I'll send the files to Ron ASAP, otherwise we'll try and fix it first, and maybe send out 2401 .m files too.

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gible wrote on Tue, 25 April 2006 10:01

The edited game files that Wumpus sent me had the problem that when a turn was genned, stars produced a corrupt .m1 file so I sent them back. However we've since dicovered that deleting the .m1 file before genning seem to work fine. So does creating some orders(you'd think I'd have tested that the first time wouldn't you ).

I assume the stars! client got a little upset with the M1 file containing 2400 and 2401 because it couldn't reconcile some oddities about the two turns in one file - possibly the vastly different planet count without any colonisations . Splitting up the supposedly "corrupt" M file into a 2400 piece and a 2401 piece allowed each piece to be loaded just fine... so muh, just stars! being silly I guess ;P

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2400 .m files for pirates don't really exist

Well yeah. In 2400 a pirate has one scout with no scanner, which is your "anchor" ship to keep the race alive, and thus not supposed to move. And no planet to build on. Under those circumstances, it seemed a waste of time to make M files for them ;P

so they will
(likely) start with 2401 files and

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the time schedule I detailed above will be delayed by the one turn needed to reveal all the PC data that doesn't show up in the 2400 .m1 file.

You could just build at the one planet you see, and gate+transfer in 2401 as planned? But you seemed to think the delay was not an issue anyway, so *shrug*, whatever is easiest for you.



In any case, have fun all

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wumpus wrote on Wed, 26 April 2006 07:23

I assume the stars! client got a little upset with the M1 file containing 2400 and 2401 because it couldn't reconcile some oddities about the two turns in one file - possibly the vastly different planet count without any colonisations . Splitting up the supposedly "corrupt" M file into a 2400 piece and a 2401 piece allowed each piece to be loaded just fine... so muh, just stars! being silly I guess ;P

Well...silly...thorough...

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You could just build at the one planet you see, and gate+transfer in 2401 as planned? But you seemed to think the delay was not an issue anyway, so *shrug*, whatever is easiest for you.

heh I'd forgotten you can move & transfer on the same turn. At this rate I'll never make expert

Thanx for the help

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Probably, but I won't. The leisurely pace is working in my favour atm, and I need it.

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Game files have been sent to Ron. Lock me please

Furthur discussion in the game forum http://starsautohost.org/sahforum/index.php?t=thread&frm _id=99&rid=78&S=fb1e454bebfd0ff7cf6526e1e4413084
(all welcome)

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gible wrote on Sat, 29 April 2006 17:11

Game files have been sent to Ron. Lock me please

What, before we get to six pages?

Edit: I'd hoped that would tip us over, but no such luck.

[Updated on: Sun, 30 April 2006 03:00]

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gible wrote on Sat, 29 April 2006 23:11

Lock me please

Behind bars you go! (that'll teach you)

mch,
modaw

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