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Bidding for 2nd round will end at 11:00am GMT (10 hours from now) then we'll commence the final round of bidding.

I'll then give 24 hours for the final bids to come in (so will require all the final round bids to be in by 11:00am GMT tomorrow.)

24 hour turnaround should be fine for anyone (game is advertised at 25hours, and bidding is much quicker than taking a turn.) The rush is to improve the chances of getting PricklyPea's race in before his holiday, so there is no delay getting the game up. If anyone expects this to be an issue, please let me know asap.

If the last bid for this round comes in quicker, then the deadline for final round will also be sooner, so please make sure you all check your email every 12 hours or so for the next couple of days, so you don't accidentally miss the deadline.

[Updated on: Tue, 21 March 2006 19:58]

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NingunOtro wrote on Tue, 21 March 2006 05:13

As I see it, the more rounds you have, the more the results converge mathematically to 0 in all fields. Considering that most people should have built an adecuate bidding strategy based on precisely 4 rounds, and not waiting without forethought for each new round, you can drop one round if you advertise long enough beforehand to let everybody adjust their strategy.

No, it doesn't work that way. Since gaining tech levels under 10 is really a marginal benifit it's not that hard to research even when it's expensive, especially when someone else is *garanteed* to get a tech at level 26. Who would bid zero since that nets them nothing? It's generally not wise to reduce your bids *too* much, and this notion will favor the low first-bidders because they get dibs on that particular number. I expect that the changes will be much less in the final bidding rounds, things will be interesting with the extra information divuldged. But I do agree that there is little benifit to having many rounds. 2-3 is a good number, 4 did seem excessive. The players will now think hard about what tech they really want and we may have a few small bidding wars for them.

I myself am standing on my bids since I was quite happy with the results.

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Consider the facts right now Weapons level almost halved from top, Bio intact. If most bidded level halves each round, it will end at 7 next turn, and 3 or 4 after that, to end at 1 at the final round.

I'll bet you that weapons will not half next round Why bother when you can pick WM and get that free anyway?

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What I wonder is if there will be anything of the game concept left to enjoy after the bidding is over.

I believe this game will be quite enjoyable. If nothing else to see the lopsided struggles and different race designs, it'll be a hoot!

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[Updated on: Wed, 22 March 2006 00:36]

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BackBlast wrote on Wed, 22 March 2006 16:27

Umm... was energy=13 a typo then?

No.

Someone bid low energy, 2nd best bid was 14, so if this tech went first it would go for 13 (which is what I documented)

Someone bid low weapons. 2nd best bid was 15, so if this tech went first it would go for 14 (which is what I documented)

However, the lowest weapons bid was lower than the lowest energy bid, so weapons went first. It'd be more obvious if I listed the actual lowest bids, but, like eBay these are secret (encourages more natural bidding, in my opinion)

Perhaps I've overcomplicated the system, but I like it and hey - we're nearly done.

Don't forget guys, I need those last bids by 6am GMT tomorrow.

[Updated on: Wed, 22 March 2006 00:36]

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BackBlast wrote on Wed, 22 March 2006 16:39

Alright, I get it... thanks.

No worries dude, I knew you would. Sorry for overcomplicating things

If anyone else has any questions, feel free to raise them here, or even better just email me for a personalised answer (might save confusion.)

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Final result.

Weapons was resolved first, at level 13
Electricity was resolved second, at level 16
Energy was resolved third, at level 18
Construction was resolved fourth, at level 18
Propulsion was resolved fifth, at level 25
Biotech went last, at level 26

Emails going out now advising each of you which tech you won.

I'm surprised con went out so high. I wonder if it'll show up as DNs or as deathstars? (or perhaps highly miniturized FFs )

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I'm a bit surprised that Propulsion went out at 25 - I would have expected nearly everyone to bid 23 or lower, as you never need to research it after that.

Lucky people with prop and con I suppose - if they survive the person with high weapons

I hope there is a report in the Bar afterwards on how this game went.

If it turns out to be a really fun game and there are multiple other games like it in future, one solution to the 'how many rounds of bidding' might be setting up a web page in php or something to provide a continuous bidding system, that way people could log in to lower their bids whenever they like. This could finish when there is no effective change to 24 hours (or some time limit a week or so away, whichever happens first). That way, there could be real bidding wars, and all techs could reach their natural level.

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Madman wrote on Thu, 23 March 2006 10:32

I'm a bit surprised that Propulsion went out at 25 - I would have expected nearly everyone to bid 23 or lower, as you never need to research it after that. Lucky people with prop and con I suppose - if they survive the person with high weapons I hope there is a report in the Bar afterwards on how this game went. If it turns out to be a really fun game and there are multiple other games like it in future, one solution to the 'how many rounds of bidding' might be setting up a web page in php or something to provide a continuous bidding system, that way people could log in to lower their bids whenever they like. This could finish when there is no effective change to 24 hours (or some time limit a week or so away, whichever happens first). That way, there could be real bidding wars, and all techs could reach their natural level.

I'm waiting with baited breath. There will definately be a game review. I'm planning to document key events in the game so a rough timeline can be published once the game is over.

I think this game concept will almost certainly be run again, in which case I would definately set up a bidding site of some sort. The method I am using to evaluate the bids is algorithmic, so there's no reason I can't program it into a active page of some sort, so people can see the effect of their bids immediately.

[Updated on: Wed, 22 March 2006 20:46]

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[Updated on: Wed, 22 March 2006 19:29]

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Comments on the bidding process...

It was rather confusing, I think things would have turned out differently had we all understood how it was going to work a little better (note for the future, if this is employed again). All the same, I think the outcome would have been somewhat similar. If we weren't so time constrained a practice round would have been nice.

I generally liked my prospects on most rounds. Of course, getting any free tech to start sounds like good fun

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That is why I placed the comments I made. Though they might seem inaccurate in view of the final results, it might well show that only the fact of efectively publishing them rendered them inadecuate. Might have been otherwise if I had kept them for myself until the very end.

Your expression of confusion clearly points in this way as it says optimum behaviour in the process is only true in the ... absence of confusion. Clearly, persistance of confusion would have ruined the game concept the way I described.

The guy with weapons can send me flowers

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dethdukk wrote on Fri, 24 March 2006 09:28

I will be gone next week, until mondat of the following week. I may or may not have access to a computer.

Can you try to get a race to me before you leave? That way we can get the game prepared while you and PricklyPea are away

(Side note, PricklyPea has managed to get his race in already )

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PricklyPea has to withdraw the race he had submitted, as it needs modification. This means you've now got a bit more than a week to work on your races, enjoy the extra time

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