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I'm running a testbed where I have BBs with 12 Jihads&BCs and BBs with 16 Juggs&SBCs, both with speed 1, under default order, and firing on opponent's 2.25 speed beamer BBs with some chaff and few Jugg BBs. What is strange is that Jihad BBs always move forward in the first round, while Jugg BBs stay on the same spot in most of test runs. When I tried different orders (like any/disengage), the Jugg BBs retreated , but Jihad BBs moved up or down.

I can explain that behaviour only this way: each if my designs "feels" different attractivenes of opponent's ships. But that shouldn't hold, as they fire most of the time on the same ships. Any other ideas?
BR, Iztok

[Updated on: Wed, 07 December 2005 09:08]

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I haven't tested this recently, but IIRC this is expected behavior. I belive it is caused by the fact that the Jihads moving forward has altered the 'safe' areas of the board... The missile ships are trying to stay out of range of each other while they shoot the other ships. You should experience the same behavior with identical fleets (although in that case it would be random which fleet moved first, but whichever went first would be the one to advance.)

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LEit wrote on Wed, 07 December 2005 19:50

I don't know if this is the case or not, but ships behave differently if they expect to kill a stack then if they don't. Perhaps the Juggs could wipe out a stack, and the Jihads couldn't?

Thanks all for suggestions. It seems that Leit was the closest with his guess.
The testbed I've been using had only about one third of all ships I expected to see in battle. In such configiration my low number of jihad BBs probably calculated they could not achieve any kills, as opponent's beamer BBs still had shields, so they moved forward to get closer to chaff. When I increased numbers of all ships in the testbed to the size of real fleets, they suddenly started behaving "normaly".
A lesson for future testbeds: don't be avaricous, use real numbers.
BR, Iztok

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iztok wrote on Sun, 11 December 2005 19:01

A lesson for future testbeds: don't be avaricous, use real numbers.

And even after several testbeds you can't be sure what will happen. When the battle I've been testbedding actually happened, the results were far worse for me than in any testbed. This time jugg BBs (the key ships in my plan) didn't retreat and got shot at in the first round. Eh....

"No battle plan survives contact with the enemy." Murphy's law on combat
"Damn you, Murphy!!! " Iztok's comment after seeing the battle

BR, Iztok

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Ahhh Iztok,

You should go back and look at the battle and see what battle orders were in use - perhaps your testbed used slightly different order combinations. I usually run the test sim with different possible order combinations. Also, were there only 2 players present?
If there was an extra ship from someone else then the starting positions changed on you . See, the best laid plans of admirals, generals and presidents often are entirely and utterly incomprehensible - even to themselves.

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Ptolemy wrote on Fri, 16 December 2005 01:43

You should go back and look at the battle and see what battle orders were in use

I admit I messed the orders. Some beamers should have stars!' default, the rest of my ships disengage orders. The idea was to sap all shields on his beamers before my missile BBs fire killing about 30% of his beamers in first, and another 20% in second round, before his beamers get the opportunity to fire on my ships, and when they'd come there, my beamers should be able to kill the remaining ones.

What happened was all main fleet was under disenagage orders, but my jugg BBs didn't retreat to the first column, chaff did, and my unjammed jugg BBs became the most attractive target in range of his jugg BBs. A third of them died in his first shot, while his unsapped first_shot beamers remained almost untouched laying waste on my fleet. The end result was a disaster for me: despite I had about 60% more firepower and 40% hitpoints there, I lost all missile ships and chaff, and 60% of beamers, while he lost 30% of beamers, 60% of missile BBs and all chaff.

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See, the best laid plans of admirals, generals and presidents often are entirely and utterly incomprehensible - even to themselves.

Yeah, at least by dieing most of them saved themself from being shot because of covardice in battle.
BR, Iztok

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