 Dropping AR planet is possible??? |
Mon, 17 October 2005 13:55  |
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 XyliGUN |
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I always thinks that dropping AR planet is imposible. But last turn in one of the game (Together Again) I'm playing now, strange things happend: one of my planet (AR based race, player #1) was attacked by another alliance's forces (players #3,#7,#8). They won the battle and down my DS. After battle I saw that planet is now belong to player #3. That sounds strange for me - his transport arrive the same turn with unload pop order, but how can he drop peoples to uncolonised planet? At the same turn player's #7 coloniser was trying to colonise that planet and receive message that planet is uncolonised. Could anyone explain this strange effect?
PS: I search by forum and didn't found explanation, may be it's one of known feature, bug, etc.?
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| Re: Dropping AR planet is possible??? |
Mon, 17 October 2005 15:33  |
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| NingunOtro |
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| Kotk wrote on Mon, 17 October 2005 20:44 |
AR cannot pop drop itself. AR can be freely pop dropped but just that their orbital kinda prevents it. 
If you ever looked at Stars! Order of Events at Stars! - Must Know section of this forum...
then you can notice that
"22. Planets with 0 pop become uninhabited" after "20. Waypoint 1 unload tasks". Because starbase was killed in "17. Fleet Battles" its still habited and there is nothing that prevents them from pop dropping as waypoint 1 task.
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Yes, ... but from the one it is only up to priviledged minds to deduce the other, especially because it is not explicitly mentioned anywhere in the manual nor the FAQs AFAIK, while it certainly should have been mentioned as a sort of flaw somewhere in the race description pages. If not as a feature in the warfare chapter (no need to bomb AR-colonists down more or less slowly compared to other races to eliminate a stronghold), it dhould have deserved a mention as early AR colonies often are treated as cheap colonization opportunities or resource grabs (it only takes a poorly armed fighter and 100 pop in any kind of cargobay to take all resources available, only by dropping the lousy 100 the same moment knock down the base. You can leave the planet behind if not strategically interesting. Later on, not having those slow and fuelhungry and unefficient bombers in my attack fleets simply speeds conquest up an awful lot.
The game I am currently in features an AR with almost identical habitat settings as mine, and he seems to have TT!!. Boy do those green dots shine! Too bad I am already fighting half the universe at the moment. They'll have to wait.
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 Re: Dropping AR planet is possible??? |
Tue, 18 October 2005 10:36 |
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| NingunOtro |
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| Kotk wrote ... |
Seems to be that you ...
Hmm ... my other impression is that you ...
You think AR is weak? Sure! ...
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Hi Kotk!
Cogito, ... Ergo Sum?
Easy assumptions you make on my behalf. You might be triggered into explaining to me why the 15th decimal of PI is 7, because it is nowhere documented. Make a serious try, and I'll come back with the same question about the 259th ... No Kidding!!! 
You are right, of course. Under certain circumstances your assumptions could be valid ones. Any assumption could be.
But I was not illustrating my own lack of knowledge, nor complaining about the lack of information about Stars! Neither was I giving any universal opinion about the viability of AR races under any particular conditions.
In fact ... I was not even using my own mindset, thus not reacting from my own point of view but trying to act like an expert newbie IA-AR killer would, surprised about the fact that another one did not know about the guts of taking over AI-AR colonies.
As from my own point of view, all documentation is priceless and I certainly appreciate it being around anywhere and as far as Stars! is concerned specially here and through the effort of many fine people. Even if it might be wrong, or simply outdated or superceded, it is still a treasure to harvest. On the other hand, any documentation is worthless if you don't care to use a brain.
Cogito, ergo sum!
P.S.: I'm sure you have one, that is not the point under discussion.
[Updated on: Tue, 18 October 2005 10:38]
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AR is not so weak as you describe. Then again maybe i like it too lot. 
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