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Ultimate Benchmark

Thu, 30 June 2005 02:12

Dogthinkers

Commander

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Registered: August 2003
Location: Hiding from Meklar

Orca wrote on Thu, 30 June 2005 04:59 (from "Re: Research needed on starting minerals" in Freestars)

I'm in the process of genning a complete set of large packed universes (16384 universes * [~920 usable planets/universe, plus 16 HWs & 16 secondaries]) for analysis. Total size should be around 1.1 gigabytes uncompressed, plus HW and secondary data. Compressed it should be substantially smaller - probably 5-10% of the original size. Once it's complete I'll upload it somewhere.

Incidentally, Stars! seems to have a 16K limit on seeds.

The earlier attempt was simply genning 10K, and later 100K random universes - which ended up with lots of duplicate data.

WOW! Orca thinks BIG! Cool

Now all I need to do is persuade someone to write a competant AI script and you could get a reliable testbed of a race by it's overall performance in EVERY universe... Could lead to a whole new 'game' - try to write the best possible performing race that will get the best total performance over every possible reality with aforementioned ai script.

If only writing ai was easy... Wink

Of course I'll also need a supercomputer to gen the 16K*50years for each testbed...

Very Happy

[Updated on: Thu, 30 June 2005 02:12]

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Re: Ultimate Benchmark

Thu, 30 June 2005 22:46

Braindead

Officer Cadet 2nd Year

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Registered: April 2005
Location: Ohio

A race that performs best in a sterile environment is far from being the best when it comes to playing against opponents and even more so when playing against human opponents. Testbeds are useful to determine if your race has potential, but that's about it.

Besides, how do you define "the best"? Is it the one with the most resources? Is it the one with the best tech? Is it the one that can build the most ships because it has way more minerals than everybody else? Is it the one that is hardest to kill? And by what year, by 2450? by 2430? by 2500? Each one of these coditions will produce very different races. I think an excersise of determining what race meets one of these criteria in a perfect environment without any opponents is a complete waste of time.

Braindead

Mess with the best, die like the rest!

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Re: Ultimate Benchmark

Thu, 30 June 2005 23:19

Dogthinkers

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Did I say it would test anything other than economy...? Same is true of most testbeds... If you managed to perform this feat then you could compare races in an abstract fashion without needing to consider if one person is a better mm than another, or if one universe was more favourable than another....

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Re: Ultimate Benchmark

Thu, 21 July 2005 17:36

joseph

Lt. Junior Grade

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Registered: May 2003
Location: Bristol

The best testbed will not survive contact with the enemy. (warning bastardised quote) Mad2

However testbedding will let you know what you are likely to have at the point that you contact the enemy. This will let you have a better prepared plan.
The best plan will not survive contact with the enemy.
However if your testbed lets you know when to build and your plan lets you know when to fight then
- the best ships (higher tech, numbers, better balance etc) will survive contact with the enemy. ROFLMAO

[Updated on: Thu, 21 July 2005 17:37]

Joseph
"Can burn the land and boil the sea. You cant take the Stars from me"

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Re: Ultimate Benchmark

Thu, 21 July 2005 19:10

overworked

Lt. Junior Grade

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Registered: November 2002
Location: Pittsburgh, PA

Hmm....

No plan survives contact with the enemy (military adage)

We have met the enemy is they is us. (pogo)

Therefore,

All plans are dead upon conception...

Everything is futile (Marvin of Borg)

Very Happy

- Kurt

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