| frigate chaff? |
Tue, 07 June 2005 03:54  |
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| Sirak |
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why is "nobody" using the frigate hull for chaffs? in late game its definitly cheaper than scouts.
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| Re: frigate chaff? |
Tue, 07 June 2005 10:27  |
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 LEit |
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| imkeshav wrote on Tue, 07 June 2005 06:43 |
In the End game era, would the scout hull chaff be more attractive than frigate chaff.
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Scouts will always be more attractive then frigates (assuming the same components on the ships) the armor of a frigate is 45, scout 20.
| imkeshav wrote on Tue, 07 June 2005 06:43 |
Furthermore, what if we upgrade the weap from x-ray laser to something better (collidal?)
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The cost of anything above the x-ray is really not worth it. OWK tried mini-gun chaff in one game and decided that the cost wasn't worth it, even though minerals wern't much of an issue (host run AR's supplied minerals to everone, distribution was still a problem however).
I have considered sapper chaff, it has some disadvantages: costs more germ, but attractivness is lower. It has some advantages: sapper init is very high and has range 3, so they will get probably get some shots in. And just possibly, the range 3 will have them back away from range 2 enemy beamers and survive an extra round. That second feature could be a massive benifit.
I havn't tested the idea in a game yet, so I'm not sure if there arn't any other problems.
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| Re: frigate chaff? |
Tue, 07 June 2005 23:06 |
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The cost of anything above the x-ray is really not worth it. OWK tried mini-gun chaff in one game and decided that the cost wasn't worth it, even though minerals wern't much of an issue (host run AR's supplied minerals to everone, distribution was still a problem however).
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Depends on your situation and tactics. When playing as BET, I was considering more expensive weapons near end of game to raise the price of chaff, scout based x-ray was TOO cheap (to be attractive enough).
WM may have different variations to compensate for his chaff being faster.
Sometimes the enemy has chaff killers and you'd rather improve your chaff than stop the killers with gattling type defenders.
As pointed out in other threads, alpha torp based flak may resist chaff killers better. Also shielded chaff often wants a better weapon. Against later missiles, more expensive chaff that survives easier may be worthwhile.
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| Re: frigate chaff? |
Wed, 08 June 2005 13:20 |
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I use both FF and Scout chaff depending on the costs and attractiveness. In my last game, I severely overbuilt on FF chaff before needing to change tactics. Though, when I realized my mistake I simply adjusted my fleet strategy. fortunately I had more Iron and germ than bora anyhow, so I threw everything into missile boat construction and chaff. This is extremely cost effective for a -F. Missile boats w/ FF chaff (cheaper in the mid-game -->40s->70s) are a very good bargain for -Fs.
And offensives are very cost effective too.  Just keep sending your missile boats out w/ kill starbase orders and a good chaff escort and shut down starbase production. Siege warfare--hit many more planets than you can realistically afford to take down and hold at once. Focus on killing the few that will give you a beachhead while suppressing enemy ship production for the short term. Then once they build up a big fleet, regroup have a beamer fleet slowly in production for the defensive actions and gate into the 1 or 2 beachheads you grab.
g.e.
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"When the newspapers have been read, the TV sets shut off, the cars parked
in their various garages. Then, faintly, I hear voices from another star.
(I clocked it once, and the reception is best between 3:00 A.M. and 4:45
A.M.). Of course, I don't usually tell people this when they ask, "Say,
where do you get your ideas?" I just say I don't know. It's safer."
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| Re: frigate chaff? |
Wed, 22 June 2005 11:55 |
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In TWW, frigate chaff seems to be the norm (rather than scout). I have taken over a WM and am using frigate chaff with phasor bazooka rather than x-ray, so far seems to be working very well in fitting my various needs.
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| Re: frigate chaff? |
Wed, 22 June 2005 21:40 |
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I inherit IFE as part of race design, see I am not only one with it, and races with IFE also have frigate chaff.
My decision was based on armour rather than fuel. As WM, the chaff moves faster, potentially easier for enemy beamers to attack. For others, the thought of WM chaff killers may have motivated (2 of 8 players are WM).
The downside for this frigate stuff is seeing efforts made to keep attractiveness on main fleets down. So for example seeing more jammers than would be expected on beamers rather than caps.
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