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mlaub wrote on Tue, 10 May 2005 01:08

Quote: Remoting mining of non-colonized worlds happens later, after battles, but I'm not sure exactly where. Me either... Anyone?

If memory serves, it happens *after* any pesky Spore Cloud might have colonized the planet. Ever seen those cute "Uber-Miner had orders to remote-mine Plentiful-Place, but could not do it because it is already colonized by your friendly HE AI of Hell."?? immediately followed by its twin companion: "We-Haul-A-Ton could not load *your* minerals from Plentiful-Place because you don't control it!"

Should be easy to testbed, even.

C U @ the Board!

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Hi,

A "minor" detail:

Packets that are produced and reach destination the same turn cause damage *before* defenses and/or starbases are built, regardless of playerID or planetID order.

So it would seem that the "production phase" is not a monolithic block.

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mazda wrote on Thu, 26 May 2005 13:13

Incidentally, can you use minerals mined the same turn in your packet ?

Definitely, yes. Done it just today.

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However, if your packet is being built, thrown and hitting all before any defenses can be built then there has been no time for any mins to be mined either, so the packet shouldn't be able to use that turns mineral production.

I'm guessing defenses and starbases are built *after* damage from packets, comets, and assorted random events is computed.

I will be testing a lot on this matter soon, as part of my "packeting simulator tool" development, but there's no telling when I'll do it. :-/

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Braindead wrote on Fri, 27 May 2005 05:04

Packets that were "en-route" the turn before hit before any mining or production takes place.

Packets just built that reach destination the same year have apparently the same effect. I dunno about the mining taking place or not, though.

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m.a@stars wrote on Fri, 27 May 2005 00:51

Packets just built that reach destination the same year have apparently the same effect. I dunno about the mining taking place or not, though.

Packets that were built the same year they reached their destination by definition hit AFTER production (and mining) - after all, they had to be built!

Braindead

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Braindead wrote on Sat, 28 May 2005 04:03

Packets that were built the same year they reached their destination by definition hit AFTER production (and mining) - after all, they had to be built!

The production phase appears not to be a single block. These close-quarters packets certainly cause damage before defenses and starbase building. Some testbedding might be needed to ascertain exactly what happens.

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Braindead wrote on Sat, 28 May 2005 11:14

Nope. The production might be happening in chunks, but newly built packets hit AFTER all production is done. Try it.

Not *all*. Just tAsted it.

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m.a@stars wrote on Sat, 28 May 2005 11:03

Braindead wrote on Sat, 28 May 2005 11:14 Nope. The production might be happening in chunks, but newly built packets hit AFTER all production is done. Try it. Not *all*. Just tAsted it.

Does anybody else want to know what flavour a Boranium mineral packet is?
I know I do....

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Hi!

mlaub wrote on Wed, 04 May 2005 22:09

Bombing[code] A. Player 1 bombing calculated 1. Retro Bomb, delayed effect. 2. Normal/LBU Bomb Damage Calculated 3. Smart Bomb Damage Calculated 4. Defences Recalculated (Retro Bombing takes effect).

Somehow I always thought defenses are recalculated after normal/LBU bombs do damage and destroy defenses, and thereafter smart bombs do MUCH more damage. Unfortunatelly that's not true. Just found that the hard way killing only about 180k pop instead of 400k-500k.
Looks like all lines of bombing of one player can be grouped together in:
1. bombing.
2. defences recalculated.
again.
BR, Iztok

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Yup - the only way you can achieve that particular effect in one turn, is by co-ordinating your attack with an ally...

The lowest numbered player tears down the defences, and the highest number player then goes in for the newly undefended soft targets....

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iztok wrote on Sat, 16 July 2005 12:24

Hi! mlaub wrote on Wed, 04 May 2005 22:09 Bombing[code] A. Player 1 bombing calculated 1. Retro Bomb, delayed effect. 2. Normal/LBU Bomb Damage Calculated 3. Smart Bomb Damage Calculated 4. Defences Recalculated (Retro Bombing takes effect). Somehow I always thought defenses are recalculated after normal/LBU bombs do damage and destroy defenses, and thereafter smart bombs do MUCH more damage. Unfortunatelly that's not true. Just found that the hard way killing only about 180k pop instead of 400k-500k. Looks like all lines of bombing of one player can be grouped together in: 1. bombing. 2. defences recalculated. again. BR, Iztok

Well, the original Order of Events clearly states Defenses are recalculated *last*.

And it explains why sometimes 400 colonists survive a combined normal/smart bombing, since the normal bombs would kill a lot of pop for starters, but then it would be the smart bombs' turn to finish the rest and not quite succeed, since they have no minimum kill.

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rowenstin wrote on Sun, 22 January 2006 08:58

And when is a planet scanned? It´s after battle, but it´s somewhat weird. If you arrive with a scout to a unscanned planet, and is shot down, it no longer shows the (?) picture in the summary pannel when you click on it, but the habitability and mineral content remains unknow.

Plain/Penetrating/Robbing Scanners (both ground and ship based)must stay in your possession and alive during turn when they scan. What removes them (possibilities for ship scanners removal are scrapping, wp0 colonization, minefield hit, minefield detonation, battle, MT trade, wp1 colonization and transfer to other player) does not matter, they dont scan. Also the strength of scan (affected by merged tachylons or AR colony population changes) is decided at end of turn. If ship is lost then it may still give scannerless scan information however.
Scannerless scan is interesting thing. Presence(or absence) of orbital, fleets and ground pop in same location can be scanned without scanners. Minefield can be scanned by ship in it. Ship may die at same turn he entered there. Also remote mining done and bombing done and maybe some other operations seem to scan some properties of a planet. Traveling in WH removes its 75% cloaks so if the end stays within other scanners range it stays visible. Actually such non-scanner scanning seem to work not very intuitively ... sometimes these seem to give more information than they should. I havent tested them fully.

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