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| Re: lazy non-testbedder research question |
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It is true that if you gain the tech you are researching from scrap or waypoint 0 drop then you will be researching for the next level of that tech before the research switches from your setting.
However, if you are pop dropping waypoint one, or using wolf/lamb tech trading, you will research your primary research setting first (and switch) then gain whatever tech from the waypoint one or combat situation.
The reason for this is because scrapping and waypoint 0 pop drops are both waypoint 0 tasks. They happen before production, and research is performed as part of the production cycle. Battles and waypoint 1 drops happen after production. The most important thing to keep in mind is that you don't want to plan on picking up the next level of tech from after production activities - research something other than the level you are planning on getting from that activity. i.e. if you have weaps 11 and need weaps 12 that you are likely to get from the next pop drop or wolf/lamb, DON'T be researching weapons or you get nothing (unless you didn't spend enough to reach the level anyway or the lamb ships were higher than the next level). The resources that you did spend towards that level though are better spent in another field. Using wolf / lamb or waypoint 1 dropping, it is also possible to get 2 levels of the same technology in one year.
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| Re: lazy non-testbedder research question |
Sat, 30 April 2005 03:51 |
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| Robert wrote on Sat, 30 April 2005 07:31 |
if you get tech from pop-drops, then you switch the research field immediately. tranfered to the example above:
you got w10 and en10, you set w research and en next.
you get w11 from popdrop, after that you
! do not research w12 - you do switch to energy right away !
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That would be consistent with behavior when your nosing colonists get tech from ancient artifacts. You wanted, say, const 4, then weap6. If you get the Const you wanted (from an unexpected source), you switch like you stated. It happens even if you're spending negligible resources on research.
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| Re: lazy non-testbedder research question |
Wed, 18 May 2005 13:41 |
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| LEit wrote on Mon, 09 May 2005 21:43 |
For example:
If you have w 10.5 (already halfway through w10) and en 1, and set it to research w then en, and get w before production (w0 pop drop or scrapping), then you get w11 (no .5) and the resources for that half level of weapons applied to energy, probably getting a level or two before your research kicks in.
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I've seen on at least a couple games evidence to the contrary, with JRC4.
On one particularly memorable turn, my WM neighbour and I had set up a by-the-book popdrop center: he repeatedly popdropped every end of turn, while I manually popdropped every start of turn. He was about to get Weap24, and I had Generalized Research and was about to get Weap23 while researching Const24. So I popdropped him, and got Weap23, then my Research gave me Weap24  , which he got that same turn after popdropping me. Next turn he reached Weap25, which I got shortly afterwards. 
One of the reasons this WM and me were engaged in tech exchange was that something very similar had happened to us in a previous game. In fact, I very distinctly remember checking my "halfway thru" research points after a non-researched level was gained for evidence of progress or lack thereof. 
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| Re: lazy non-testbedder research question |
Wed, 18 May 2005 13:52 |
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I just applied LEit's advice on research (thanks for info, LEit) and did successfully transfer partial level to other field. Scrappers were used to gain traded tech.
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| Re: lazy non-testbedder research question |
Wed, 18 May 2005 22:48 |
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It's a little weird, but I think I prefer it this way - before I always used to try to avoid doing any research at all in a level I might get through trading, now I don't have to worry about wastage so much...
As described above, it doesn't sound exploitable because if the amount of spillover resources correspond directly to research that you've already spent in that field then you are not actually gaining anything but merely getting to redirect the resources you had otherwise 'wasted'.
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| Re: lazy non-testbedder research question |
Thu, 19 May 2005 01:13 |
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| Braindead wrote on Thu, 19 May 2005 13:43 |
You can exploit it if you are playing SS
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Nice. It's a bit trickier but you could also use this technique to make GR a little tiny bit more viable (in the past I've always worked on the assumption I'll get some research fields from allies, so the GR bonus is small or negative)
Here's a related question for the testbedders: So far we've been talking about what happens if you are researching a tech with 'switch to...' orders set then get the SAME tech through scrapping/trade. But what happens if you don't...? Two scenarios:
1) Suppose you have Weap 10.5, are set to research Weap, have orders to stay in the same field, and the expected research total for this year will be 0. Then you get a level of Weap through scrapping. Do the invested resources from the 0.5 get passed through towards the next level of weap, or are they lost?
2) Suppose you have Weap 10.5, are set to research Con, have orders to stay in the same field, and the expected research total for this year will be 0. Then you get a level of Weap through scrapping. Do the invested resources from the 0.5 get passed through into Con, or Weap, or is it lost?
I'll take a look at this myself tomorrow if I have time, but I'd love it if someone saved me the trouble 
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| Re: lazy non-testbedder research question |
Thu, 19 May 2005 02:22 |
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| Dogthinkers wrote on Wed, 18 May 2005 22:13 |
1) Suppose you have Weap 10.5, are set to research Weap, have orders to stay in the same field, and the expected research total for this year will be 0. Then you get a level of Weap through scrapping. Do the invested resources from the 0.5 get passed through towards the next level of weap, or are they lost?
2) Suppose you have Weap 10.5, are set to research Con, have orders to stay in the same field, and the expected research total for this year will be 0. Then you get a level of Weap through scrapping. Do the invested resources from the 0.5 get passed through into Con, or Weap, or is it lost?
I'll take a look at this myself tomorrow if I have time, but I'd love it if someone saved me the trouble
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When you get a level from scrapping/dropping/MT/battle, you get the resources (not 1 tech level) needed to get from one level to the next. So if you had 10.5 in W and got a level from scrapping, you'll get to 11 and whatever resources you have already spent on researching W11 will be applied towards achieving the next level in W. In both cases, you'll keep your resources.
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