Primitive Paranoia

This is a primitive Stars! game so be prepared to spend some time playing. If you don't know what a 'Primitive Stars'
game is - read on . The rules are defined as follows:

Race designs - general restrictions.

1. Leftover advantage points MUST be set to defenses
2. * Only one immunity is allowed (special restriction on CA)
3. One variable (gravity, temp or radiation) MUST be set at the extreme left or extreme right AND may be no
more than 5 clicks wider than the minimum. This gives the following maximum options:

        Radiation 70-100 OR 0-30
        Temperature 80-200 OR -200 - -80
        Gravity 1.80 - 8.00 OR 0.12 - 0.55

4. Start at 3 box may NOT be checked
5. Mines MUST cost 15
6. Factories MUST cost 25
7. Factory efficiency may not be better than 1.2 (12 resources per 10 factories)
8. Must NOT check the cost 1kt less box
9. Mine efficiency may not be better than 1.2 (12kt per 10 mines)
10. Factories operated may not be higher than 15
11. Mines operated may not be higher than 15
12. Weapons MUST be set to expensive.
13. No cheap Propulsion tech.
14.The net of all research fields must be 0 or higher
(i.e. 3 expensive, 3 cheap or 2 expensive, 2 cheap 2 normal etc.)
15. * Max population growth rate is 8%, 5% for HE (see special HE restriction)
16. Each race must be designed to have 2000 resource points left over then may spend their race
handicap points (see 'Handicaps' below)

Game Play Rules
1. All fuel transport hulls are banned (fuel transport for IS and Super Fuel Transport for all races)
2. The tech 0 fuel pod is banned. Any ships that contain this part on game start-up must be scrapped on the first turn.
3. The Radiating Hydro Ram scoop and the Trans Galactic Super Scoop are the ONLY allowed ramscoops
(HE is allowed the Settlers Delight)
(if you have IFE the Fuel Mizer is BANNED - all ships with Fuel Mizers MUST be scrapped on the first turn)
4. The ONLY stargate allowed is the 100/250 gate.
5. ALL players MUST be set to 'enemy'
6. ALL players MUST have battle orders set to 'attack everyone'

SPECIAL RACE RESTRICTIONS

AR: Pop/resource divisor may not be better than 1/15 - energy MUST be expensive.
CA: Either 1 immunity OR TT may be selected NOT both.
JOAT: NAS is prohibited
HE: **After an HE race has been designed with 2000 points remaining then spent the handicap, the owner MUST remove 2% PGR, and make no further changes.
**This final adjustment restricts the wizard PGR maximum to 5%. The advantage points gained may NOT be used.

Handicaps

AR: 100
WM: 75
IT/IS: 55
SD: 45
SS/HE: 100
PP: 110
JOAT: 30
CA: 0

This results in the races having the following resource points left over:
AR: 1900
Wm: 1925
IT/IS: 1945
SD: 1955
SS: 1900
HE*: 1900 (before final 2% pgr reduction)
PP: 1890
JOAT: 1970
CA: 2000

Game settings are as follows:
- Medium, normal universe
- Distant player positions
- Approx 10 players
- No Random Events
- Turn gens 5 days per week (M-F)until 2500 then 3 days per week (MWF)


Victory conditions:
- 1 race wins by consensus or annihilation.

Other Stuff:
- Create your race and password-protect it.
- Host is playing.
- The game will play on Autohost.
- Turns 2400, 2401 and 2402 will be 1 year turns. There will then be 2 year turns to year 2450.
- A non-playing 3rd party monitor will verify race creation rules have been followed. Details to follow.
- The same 3rd party monitor will also check the game from time to time to ensure game play rules are being followed. If you change your password, you must inform the monitor.
- Cheaters get 1 warning, and are dropped for subsequent offence.
- You can still form alliances and tech trade, etc; HOWEVER ...
- You cannot cooperate in battles (Game Play Rules #5 and #6).
NOTE: limited battle co-operation is of course possible - but, it is very limited.

DO NOT APPLY if you aren't ready for a year long committment. This game WILL be LONG and SLOW. Only DEDICATED players will be accepted.

To apply, send a message to whsmith AT welho DOT com.

Instructions will be sent telling you who to send your race file to.

Good Luck!

Ptolemy

Updated 'other players status' rules - game play rules 5 and 6

[Updated on: Sat, 23 October 2004 13:43]

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14.The net of all research fields must be 0 or higher (i.e. 3 expensive, 3 cheap or 2 expensive, 2 cheap 2 normal etc.)

Could you expand upon this? I don't understand what you mean by "net 0 or higher." And your examples seem to contradict eachother...but thats probably cause I don't understand whatever concept you are applying.

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Chaosknight you are welcome to play regardless of skills in English. After all, many races from different planets can't really be expected to all have evolved the same language now - could they? Your ambassador is doing an excellent job with his translation skills.

Ptolemy
Emperor of a Thousand Suns

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multilis wrote on Fri, 22 October 2004 21:37

Not sure how Dark Ages III is now going. My first impression is the PP PRT in this setup may need more help compared to Dark Ages III, as there will be less planets left that are red for everyone and hence good for remote mining.

Before anybody laughs at the thought of actually playing PP in a game, , I was planning on doing so. PP has a very distinct advantage at the outset of the game which happens to be early scouting. Since regular scouts can't go anywhere at any reasonable speed without the fuel mizer, I can just completely avoid building any and throw packets all over the place and scout all of the galaxy around me very quickly. While this does use more minerals than scouting, one packet costs 5 resources as compared to 18 for a scout, and that one packet will scout at least 10x more planets 25x faster (or so). Less resources for scouting means that one factory gets built that much faster. Also, if my 2nd world really sucks, I actually benefit, as while my homeworld is growing, the 2nd world will have capped factories and will start working research. I know early scouting doesn't matter all that much as you won't be moving to colonise worlds for many years, but bah, packets of death are fun.

But as far as the above quote goes, I agree that PP seems artificially handicapped by the eventual low availability of planets to mine and low mine settings as a requirement. Don't ask me what to do about it though.

multilis wrote on Fri, 22 October 2004 21:37

Judging from what others take to previous primative games, I suggest SD is much more popular/powerful than JOAT (lacking NAS) and should have greater handicap.

As much as I want to play PP, I recognize that SD is (looks anyway) simply powerful in this type of game. Free and minelaying that nobody will have the technology to fight for a good long while. Have fun mine sweeping with the blue laser and scouts... Thats my opinion about them anyway. I'd still pick PP.

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Before anybody laughs at the thought of actually playing PP in a game

In thread before start of last primative game (Dark Ages III, can search autohost new game forum), was discussion on how PP could be effective.

I was pointing out difference in Ptol's rules compared to last game which now reduces PP somewhat IMO (less remote mining).

Ptol is PP in Dark Ages III game , not sure how well he is doing now.

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Don't ask me what to do about it though

Ptol already has a handicap system.

[Updated on: Fri, 22 October 2004 22:39]

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Ptolemy is doing quite well as PP in Dark Ages III - thank you very much

SD's don't like PP's since mines are useless against packets. (Come to think of it, NOBODY likes PP's)

Other races wishing to infringe upon my SD allies space are finding it very difficult to manage to take planets - pretty hard to keep a colony in place with 500kt+ warp 14 packets hitting every turn. Sometimes more than one packet hitting in a given turn.

All in all, I'm having fun as a PP in DAIII. However, I do caution anyone playing PP - the prt scares most opposition. That makes a PP race a very early target. Ideally, scrap your orbital fort on the first turn and take your MD off your space station in the first 2-4 years or so - before any neighbor scouts arrive. Keep your PRT as quiet as possible until you at least have bio 4 for mines. If you start throwing packets all over the place early on, your launch points are immediately identified.


Ptolemy

[Updated on: Sat, 23 October 2004 03:21]

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Hi!

Ptolemy wrote on Sat, 23 October 2004 09:20

Ptolemy is doing quite well as PP in Dark Ages III - thank you very much

I second this statement. Being a neighbour of Ptolemy in that game I can onyl say that calculating costs of attacking him gives me shivers. He's not very strong economically (the price of PRT has taken its tool), but those W-14 packets would devastate quite some of my core worlds if we'd go to war.

When I've been deciding who to attack in the first war (about turn 70) I had two options: Ptolemy to my left with some nice planets, but highly skilled and with still unknown PRT (PP highly suspected), or a weak SD to the North, that pissed off all his neighbours with his detonating minefields. I went after SD. Looking back I'd say that was very likely a mistake, but hey, everyone can be a general after the battle.

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SD's don't like PP's since mines are useless against packets. (Come to think of it, NOBODY likes PP's)

I like you! You're my best friend in the whole universe! Just please fling your packets in other directions.

BR, Iztok

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Sounds like we are going to start this game here pretty quick. If anyone hasn't submitted a race yet that would like to play, you're almost out of time. Hurry hurry!

BackBlast

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