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Sun, 29 August 2004 17:16  |
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PRT: IT
LRT: NRSE,OBRM,NAS,LSP
HAB: 0.59 - 5.84
-68 - 172
26 - 86
18% (1/4)
ECO: pop 1200
13/9/16,G
13/4/13
Tech: cons -50, weap normal, rest 75%, no check 3
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| Re: Comment this race |
Sun, 29 August 2004 17:37  |
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First off, the LRT's are going to be seriously hurting this race. LSP will cause too slow of a startup and only NRSE isn't going to provide for any early mobility to colonize planets. If you're taking NRSE you should be taking IFE.
Additionally, the expensive propulsion is going to mean you aren't going to get decent engines in any reasonable time.
The hab of 1 in 4 is OK but I would shift it to 6 clicks from the edge to get more points to work with. I'd also squeeze a few more points from it while keeping it just in the 1 in 4 range.
For the econ, I'd be going with 14 14 for the factories rather than 13 16. You'd only generate 120 less resources per million colonists but you'd have less factories to build - I'd also unclick the G box. Cutting your mines down to 12 mines and you have now a total of over 100 more resource points to spend.
Never take weaps normal in a standard game - weaps are cheap. make the con normal.
With those extra 100+ points, I'd take the IFE and dropt the LSP.
I could now very easily monster this race by 2450.
Ptolemy
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| Re: Comment this race |
Sun, 29 August 2004 19:13 |
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Whell the idea with mines 13/4/13 is to gain more minerals, it it make 30% more minerals than average race. Also 13/4/x cost 4/1.3=3.07 resurces as 10/x/x mines.
The race should be some of anti-monster race, to counter them in early stages ~20K by 2450 and beat them in later stages since you have more minerals.
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| Re: Comment this race |
Sun, 29 August 2004 20:32 |
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| Sinla wrote on Sun, 29 August 2004 19:39 |
13/4/13 doesn't mean you get much more minerals, but you get your minerals quicker.
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May I say that you are wrong, well number of digged ore is
(mineff/10)*(num_of_mines)*(min_concetration/100), which means the reslt is the same if (mineff 25 and nummines 5 ) and (nummines 25 and mineff 5) but mineral concetrations are droping faster if you have more mines operating on planet.
Also you can read more about it in help file, also take a look to my testbed http://alas.matf.bg.ac.yu/~mr97209/mineff.zip race with high min eff did not reduced min concetration to 1 and have more minerals.
| Stars! Help File |
Calculating the Rate of Reduction
The number of mine years it will take to reduce the concentration by 1 can be approximated by dividing 12,5
00 by the current mineral concentration. Mine years is one mine per year: if you are operating 50 mines per
year on a planet, that equates to 50 mine years.
The decrease in concentration is solely related to the number of mines you have and the number of years the
y've been in operation. For two players with the same number of mines operating over the same number of yea
rs, the decrease in concentration will be the same for each.
Mineral Concentration and Player Efficiency
The rate of concentration reduction is not related to mining efficiency--the player who is more efficient a
t extraction will mine more minerals. When the concentration reaches 1 on your planet and an opponent's pla
net, the player who has the more mines but is not as efficient can do as well as a very efficient player wh
o is operating fewer mines.
To learn how many colonists you need to operate a mine and how efficient the mine is at extraction, choose
the View (Race) menu item, and turn to page 5 of the View Race dialog.
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| Re: Comment this race |
Sun, 10 October 2004 10:09 |
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Since I'm at work on a very slow morning, I'm going to spam this thread w/ an useful "mineral-monster" IT.
My plan of choice for IT--Forget the high efficiency mines, kill the OBRM.
Quite affordable w/ IT, as you can get away w/ NRSE and no IFE a lot better than any other PRT. This gives lots of points to throw into your econ.
I used this race to stomp a lot of players in a medium dense universe.
Hegemony of Man
IT
NRSE,NAS,LSP (to pay for 19% growth--in retrospect, I think this is a bad idea), RS (OPTIONAL for IT)
1/9-10 1 immune (temp)
(Alternatively, you can go 1/5 non immune w/ narrow extreme rad)
12.9.15 g4
10.4.15
W,C cheap.
rest expensive, not checked.
It worked out pretty well in a medium dense game. I hit something like 3k by 20, 6k by 30. iirc. Over 30k by 50 vs 14 players.
2nd place to a 1 immune 1-cheap joat, but I had the largest and most advanced fleet at all times. 
Early on, I got around no IFE by reusing as many ships as I could as possible. No IFE, probably cost me a bit of growth though as you lose about 2 years range at warp 9. I made a lot of use of booster scouts and privs early on. In retrospect, I'd have been better off shooting for C8 earlier than I did for Large freighters and SFXs. Also, getting gates up very quickly is essential (within first 2-3 turns of landing). Plan: Send ships outward, colonize, build gate, gate back privs and any boosters that went all the way to target world to refuel at HW and grab mroe pop. Gate back out w/ some escorts, move outward from the new gate-fort.
First tech goals are W8,P7 (DLL8), C9, N6 in the 20s to make your first assaults.
The mines look low until you take into account that there's no OBRM. Remote mining adjacent reds with high concentration boosts mineral production vastly. I was rarely short on minerals. There were a few years where I let my MM slip where I had some trouble.
The 4 cost on mines is somethign I'd change in the future. 10/3/13 gives better starting speed.
Early germ crunch wasn't a big deal due to the high growth rate and mineral gating. Gating minerals and pop really takes away the bite of the crappy mines. Arguably w/ IT, you can really get away w/ about 2 fewer mines operated than any other PRT due to the ability to mineral balance more effectively than anyone else.
g.e./Gakl
g.e.
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"When the newspapers have been read, the TV sets shut off, the cars parked
in their various garages. Then, faintly, I hear voices from another star.
(I clocked it once, and the reception is best between 3:00 A.M. and 4:45
A.M.). Of course, I don't usually tell people this when they ask, "Say,
where do you get your ideas?" I just say I don't know. It's safer."
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| Re: Comment this race |
Wed, 13 October 2004 13:25 |
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| Deuce wrote on Wed, 13 October 2004 17:51 |
I played a very similar race once and ran into some troubles. The drawback as an IT of having NRSE without IFE is that your engines are *expensive,* namely in ironium. And privateers already cost enough!
This will be even more apparent later in the game with NAS when you're forced to build hundreds of kamikaze "ping" scouts.
Maybe your extra minerals will overcome that. I dunno.
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Using a FF or scout with QJ5 and X laser (standard chaff) for pinging you can go w9 for 1 year for 48 fuel. The scout can just manage this, and the FF can do it easily.
There isn't a cheap w10 engine, and you can't ping effectively with a 2 year trip, so you can't do much better with the fuel mizer or scoops.
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| Re: Comment this race |
Wed, 13 October 2004 14:05 |
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Staz' solution is exactly right. QJ5 ships are what I used for 'pinging' worlds. If I'm attacking, I usually have a group of chaff not far off. Also, if you're opponent is good, you're usually going to have a significantly hard time getting a good scan on inner worlds. And you do those w/ expensive cloaked pen-scanning galleons that you, bought from a friendly neighbor. Sending uncloaked ships into the center of hostile space for intel is a pretty difficult thing unless you've been doing so steadily. Also, by the time you're really flooding all space w/ scouts, the DLL7s are cheap enough. For what it's worth, I didn't have any mineral problems in this game. I had some GERM problems in the early-midgame due to not having the g-box checked, however.
This faded rapidly once the first strip mining fleets were built and gated to red-worlds adjacent to major clusters. At any given time I was usually strip mining 3-5 high-concentration red worlds. That and spoils from assaults came in very handy. Minerals come from the periphery of one's empire and are very rapidly gated back into core worlds for warship-building.
g.e./Gakl
g.e.
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"When the newspapers have been read, the TV sets shut off, the cars parked
in their various garages. Then, faintly, I hear voices from another star.
(I clocked it once, and the reception is best between 3:00 A.M. and 4:45
A.M.). Of course, I don't usually tell people this when they ask, "Say,
where do you get your ideas?" I just say I don't know. It's safer."
-P. K. DickReport message to a moderator
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| Re: Comment this race |
Wed, 13 October 2004 19:22 |
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| Deuce wrote on Wed, 13 October 2004 21:20 |
But destroyers cost three times as much iron as a frigate hull! This doesn't seem to solve anything!
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True enough, and the AMG is not cheap either. That's why I'd use the basic chaff design most of the time. The FF version can go 210ly at w9, and that is more than you can reasonably expect to get away with.
If you try for more than a 2 year journey you get spotted after 81 ly and killed after 162 ly. And then there's minefields to worry about.
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If you want late game mineral monsters that are not AR then take reduced factory JOAT HP. 5% 3-immune HE is also nice but HE is as odd to play as AR. 
Somewhat edged hab is not so bad for HP, since it does not want to fight with everyone for the center planets early on. 
