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Factor wrote on Fri, 30 July 2004 09:08

heroes can be transfer from fleets to fleets in a way similar to cargos. but they wont take up any spaces.

You can always give the hero it's own ship. But maybe a hero could be more like a general. You "assign" a fleet to a general, he is in command of that fleet, sitting in the control center somewhere so doesn't have to be present in the battle. It's afterall the space age!
(Ender also didn't had to be present in the battles against the Buggers. )

Note that with this I do not mean that you lose control of that fleet and some sort of AI handles its movements. You still decide where it goes, which battle orders it uses etc.

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and for organizational purposes, when you recruit a hero, you can name the hero. and to make this more realistic, every race can only own up to (# of planets /5 [+ 1 starting hero])

With assigning fleets and the hero/general not present you could assign several fleets to one general. Each fleet getting the same bonus or the bonus would get divided amongst the fleets. A choice to be made.
The number of fleets receiving the influence of the general would depend on the skill of the general ...

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when heroes looses their fleet in a combat, they can either fly back to HW in an escape pod or be captured by the enemy race. when captured, the user must pay a ransom to get the hero back.

So the hero wouldn't get killed? Ever? Would you as enemy accept the ransom and give back someone who makes your enemy stronger? I'd kill the hero ... better: brainwash him to work for you! Or send him back after that as a spy and saboteur!
Guess my heroes would have cyanide capsules in their teeth! Is that an available upgrade?

As for the heroes/generals not being present at the battle, they could be connected to a world, if you lose that world and your general is still there he is captured/killed. Moving a general to another world would take a year (depending on distance between the planets? ITs can use their gates?) and he would be inactive during that year? He can't use it laptop when travelling in a spaceship! That would interfer with the board computer.

Just some thoughts ...

mch

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Funny idea... it would probably finally add some MM i would like to do. Lets say all players got 5 generals and you may choose what general controls that fleet each time you name a fleet.

The suggested modifiers are bit strange... beams have minimum 90% accuracy and biggest battles happen with beams. What it means 120% accuracy? WM can easily have the speed of 2.25 even with DD-s. Does it mean it go over 2.5 or does it start to modify opponents speed? That actually leaves initiative most good for distributing the leveling points.

Such perks would be cooler:
Computing (every skill point adds weightless 10% computer to all ships in fleet) ... initiative (every skill point adds 0.5 intiative rounded down) ... jamming (5% jammer) ... deflection (5% deflector) ... also cloak (15%) ... maybe 0.1% jet ... 5% capasitor ... maybe even cargo space or little scanning of fuel usage bonus ... or some other such effects.

Each general starts with one random perk and gets something random each time it levels. That makes him immediately useful, but if you want to level further with him you probably want to limit what it controls!

Unnamed fleets are not controlled. General controlling fleets that win battles add to exp (per battle). If there were "enemy" generals in battle he get more exp. If there are multiple your generals in battle (in control of multiple your fleets) the most experienced general will take over.

Controlling fleets that lose or do not participate in battles substract something from exp added. So ... general can get nothing if he controls too lot of fleets.

To avoid training camps for generals (inside alliances) there must be some trick ... maybe only the battles against "enemies" count or maybe only real damage matters really ... lets say killing 10% of opponents shipyard cost (orbitals included) adds 100 points to generals exp while killing only 0.1% adds 1 point.

Idea is very cool if it is adjusted so that your general levels relatively rarely so its affect is quite small but their presence makes battles more hard to predict.

Finally ... the bad thing is that it probably makes JOAT, SS, SD and IS races a bit stronger, since these races can easier predict if they will participate in a battle or no. These are already among most powerful races.

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Micha wrote on Fri, 30 July 2004 01:24

(Ender also didn't had to be present in the battles against the Buggers. )

if this idea does get into the game, i bet i'll c multiple enders. ( i do plan on naming one of my generals ender hahahahahaha)

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Hi!

Micha wrote on Fri, 30 July 2004 10:24

...and to make this more realistic, every race can only own up to (# of planets /5 [+ 1 starting hero])

Why not make number of generals a LRT? And a special LRT that severely limits opponent's generals?

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Guess my heroes would have cyanide capsules in their teeth!

Remotely triggered?
BR, Iztok

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Hi!

LEit wrote on Sun, 01 August 2004 14:36

I don't like the idea of Heroes...

Did you ever had the feeling something is missing, when you executed a successful early strike on your neighbour's economy? He lost some planets, his growth is slowed down, but what did YOU gain? Your ships are already obsolete, you're behind with the tech, you still need to develop conquered territory, and public opinion could be against you. More bad then good points, so the game develops into tech race to Arm's and Nubs instead into fighting.

IMO there should be some form of combat experience built into the game to reward aggression. Gained experience should be measured with values of destroyed ships and installations, compared to total economy (to diminish value of "friendly" fighting).
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BR, Iztok

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iztok wrote on Sun, 01 August 2004 11:31

Hi! LEit wrote on Sun, 01 August 2004 14:36 I don't like the idea of Heroes... Did you ever had the feeling something is missing, when you executed a successful early strike on your neighbour's economy? He lost some planets, his growth is slowed down, but what did YOU gain? Your ships are already obsolete, you're behind with the tech, you still need to develop conquered territory, and public opinion could be against you. More bad then good points, so the game develops into tech race to Arm's and Nubs instead into fighting.

so true...

iztok wrote on Sun, 01 August 2004 11:31

IMO there should be some form of combat experience built into the game to reward aggression. Gained experience should be measured with values of destroyed ships and installations, compared to total economy (to diminish value of "friendly" fighting). My . BR, Iztok

i was planning on making a ship experiences post, but i changed it to heroes becuase but if we were to have that in free stars, that would require to much programming. you'll kno what i mean if you've played warcraft 3 before.

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Fleets and generals

Admirals please, generals command armies

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Dark_Traveller wrote on Fri, 30 July 2004 22:02

Jamming, cloaking, deflection are ones a General could effect to in a minor way but not as drastically as the movement and combat.

Yes "jammer", "cloak" and "deflector" sound wrong but the abilities that such stuff give are actually possible to achieve without real electronic gadgets.

How about "his sergeants dodge missiles 10% better in battle"? or "her fleets are 30% harder to spot"? ... for example because she like asteroid hopping.

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Kotk wrote on Thu, 05 August 2004 14:55

Dark_Traveller wrote on Fri, 30 July 2004 22:02 Jamming, cloaking, deflection are ones a General could effect to in a minor way but not as drastically as the movement and combat. Yes "jammer", "cloak" and "deflector" sound wrong but the abilities that such stuff give are actually possible to achieve without real electronic gadgets. How about "his sergeants dodge missiles 10% better in battle"? or "her fleets are 30% harder to spot"? ... for example because she like asteroid hopping.

i just say movement in battle, accuracy + jamming is good (speed, atk, def)

remember, new officers/admirals decrease the fleet performance

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An admiral who could modify a whole fleets performance by a percentage in a large fleet would be incredibly powerful.

In a small fleet much less so.

A hero will almost always make more waves in a smaller battle. So maybe a reducing percentage effect with fleet size.

For weapons specialist admiral example:

Number of ships Effect on firepower
under 10 +10%
under 20 +5%
under 30 +2.5%
under 40 +1.25%

Therefore can make a larger difference with more powerful ships, but less effect the more ships there are. (Added anti chaff effect because the more chaff the less effective an admiral is)

Also for an admiral to coordinate every thing he would have to have staff, specialised equipment etc...

New electronics module - Flag deck ?

Cannot assign an admiral to a fleet without one Flag deck. But flag decks could give some mods without an admiral.

Admirals have to be physically with a fleet so flag deck could carry (specialised cargo) say max 3 admirals (Too many personallity clashes after that) But only highest modifier of each in fleet counts. If ships with a flag deck remain, dead admiral. No risk no gain.

Has anyone brought up Honor Harrington comparisons?

I like this idea a lot.

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