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Orca wrote on Sat, 17 April 2004 16:10

* Pick your PRT * IFE, NRSE, OBRM, NAS (usually. Play with this as needed to get points. Remember you need SPEED SPEED SPEED! - so IFE is almost invariably a gimme, as is OBRM. UR, MA, BET, GR, ARM are right out. RS can be a good idea. LSP is antithematic, but if *really* necessary...TT is also antithematic - and costs too many points anyway) * 1/6->1/9 hab, or 1/10 1 immune to 1/14 1 immune 18-20% * 1/1000 13->15/7-9/14-19g 10/3/15-25 * weapons cheap (preferably weapons and con cheap - battleships zipping around by 2430 rocks!).

Just wanted to add that if you want to do QS IT, do not take ISB, IFE or immunities.
NRSE+OBRM (add NAS or CE or both here) and 1 in 8 hab are the point mines. Should be enough to have growth 19%, wonderful econ and 2 cheap technologies.

IT is special case QS since it has 2 starting planets in small+ universe and if the lottery with secondary planet smiles it jumps impossibly high in score early.

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-200 you meant -20 there?

Yep, that's a typo.

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Anyway too edged i think.

I suppose so. No need to intersettle with your neighbours - you just take the planets you want and they can't fight back until it's too late


In general, your advice sounds good but where do I get the points from ? Changing the mines as suggested, increasing PGR to 19% and removing "tech start at 3" puts me 11 points in the hole, and then you want to move the habs towards centre as well.

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Think LRT's

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ForceUser wrote on Mon, 19 April 2004 17:51

Think LRT's

What, more than 4 negative PRTs ? LSP, BET and cheap engines all slow you down as well, which can't be good for a QS.

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ccmaster wrote on Tue, 20 April 2004 01:04

Some positive LRT's will also help you . and you should come up to more then 3,5k resources in 2420

Aaaaggghh!

Now I'm 11 points short, have to move my habs towards the centre, and pick some positive LRTs.

OK.. here is the new race design, based on all the advice I've been given.

IT
IFE, TT, IS, NRSE, ORBM, NAS, RS
.52 to 1.92, -88 to 96, 27 to 73, 1 in 8
19% PGR
1 per 1000
13/8/16, checked
10/3/18
Wpns+Con cheap, rest expensive, not checked
-375 points left

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Staz wrote on Tue, 20 April 2004 13:09

Now I'm 11 points short, have to move my habs towards the centre, and pick some positive LRTs. ... IT IFE, TT, IS, NRSE, ORBM, NAS, RS ... Wpns+Con cheap, rest expensive, not checked -375 points left

IMO the idea was to _avoid_ positive LRTs to save points. So DROP TT and ISB. TT is for late game races. ISB you don't need as your QS planets will be able to build a SB pretty fast. Now your race's still 120 points in red. OK, let's move your hab: grav and temp 20 clicks from the edge, rad 16. Get rid of RS and check CE (you're IT, that will not hurt so badly), sacrifice one fac and one mine and you have 4 points surplus, without really hurting race's speed. And it will start with excellent AD-8 engine you could use on early CCs horde.
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BR, Iztok

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I think I'd prefer to drop CE and IFE, and take RS (gives 5 points left over).

You need good engine to move big amount of new pop early. DLL-7 isn't. Going W-7 means you'll need twice as much freighters to move your pop as you'd need with Fuel Mizer. An AD-8 is much better, so you may consider dropping IFE and buying prop normal. That's also quite beneficial for IT race. With expensive energy regen shields don't help so much (and cost 10 points ).
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BR, Iztok

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iztok wrote on Tue, 20 April 2004 17:24

You need good engine to move big amount of new pop early. DLL-7 isn't. Going W-7 means you'll need twice as much freighters to move your pop as you'd need with Fuel Mizer. An AD-8 is much better, so you may consider dropping IFE and buying prop normal. That's also quite beneficial for IT race. With expensive energy regen shields don't help so much (and cost 10 points ).

I generally find that 3 DLL7 privateers carrying 50kt of cargo (ie. 2/3 full) can run at warp 9 for most journeys needed by an IT. So I need only 50% more freighters than with FM, rather than twice as many. As for AD8; as I generally run at warp 9 wherever possible, and AD8 uses same fuel as DLL7 at w9, it seems hard to justify the risk of engine failure in mid game battle fleets.

The reason for regen shields is that a QS would be doing most of it's fighting in the horde fleet model, where stacked shields are important. A 40% boost seems useful in that situation (generally makes shields as effective as the next shield up without RS). I could take it or leave it though.

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RS are normaly a good choose if you use it .

I normaly atack my enemy with a hord of 100 jihad cruser in year 2430-2432 with energy 6 shields and i love the regeneration of 1600 shield each battle round

But if you dont wanna research energy dont take RS is then useles for you .

ccmaster

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Staz wrote on Tue, 20 April 2004 20:49

I generally find that 3 DLL7 privateers carrying 50kt of cargo (ie. 2/3 full) can run at warp 9 for most journeys needed by an IT.

In normal universe you can expect 4 planets to be within 81 LY distance from your HW and 16 planets within two W-9 jumps. But an IT starts with two planets, so for your IT race with 1 in 8 hab that means 1 single green planet within 81 LY distance from both planets, 1.5 within 98, 2.6 within 128 and 4.2 within 162. In dense uni you can expect 1.3 greens and in packed 1.7 within 1 W-9 jump. Those numbers look awfully low to me. Adding my usual bad to average luck with planet draw I'd _never_ gamble on them. With using DLL-7 you are.

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The reason for regen shields is that a QS would be doing most of it's fighting in the horde fleet model, where stacked shields are important.

I completelly agree with you here. The only ships I put armor on them are missile BBs and sweepers. But for the proposed IT with already 4 bad LRTs regen shields costed 27 points, instead giving 10 .
BR, Iztok

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