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Here are this week's puzzles. Standard 24hr timelimit, PM me your answers.

5 puzzles, with #3 having two parts, so 6 actual puzzles. Get any 5 right for 1 chance to become this week's Puzzle Master, or get all 6 right for 2 chances.

1. The vowels have been omitted from this quotation. Can you replace them?
TSWSFTHRTHTKNWSHSWNCHLD

2. What number should replace the question mark? (IQ style, like last week's)

37 | 95 | 22

58 | 106 |21

96 | ? | 23


3. Consider the following equation, which is obviously false:
11 = 113355

a) Can you insert four line segments into this equation to make it correct?
example: a '-' is one line segment, while a '+' and a 'x' are 2 line segments.

b) Same question, but now you are only given three line segments to work with. To give you a break, the equation doesn't have to be exact, but it does have to be accurate to six decimal places!


4. Two ferryboats traveling at a constant speed start moving at the same instant from opposite sides of the Hudson River, one going from New York City to Jersey City and the other from Jersey City to New York City. They pass one another at a point 720 yards from the New York shore.
After arriving at their respective destinations, each boat spends precisely 10 minutes at the opposite shore to change passengers before switching directions. On the return trip, the two boats meet at a point 400 yards from the Jersey shore.
What is the width of the river?

5. A real estate mogul bought a piece of land for $243, divided it into an equal number of lots, and sold the entire package for $18 per lot. (The prices are low since this occured over a hundred years ago.) The mogul's profit on the entire deal was equal to what six of the lots had originally cost him.
How many lots were there in the piece of land?

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Out of 3 people submitting at least 5 correct ansers (2 got all 6 correct) mazda, HiltonL, and Ashlyn, the RNG picks HiltonL as this weeks Puzzle Master.

Here are the answers.

1. iT iS a WiSe FaTHeR THaT KNoWS HiS oWN CHiLD

2. No one got the book correct answer of 812. (6 + 2 = 8, 9 + 3 = 12) but 2 people turned in the same alternate answer of 92 (flip the first number and add it to the third one to get the middle one.)

3. a) 11 = - 11 + 33 - 55
b) The book answer was
         ----
pi = 113 | 355
(pi is obtained from placing one line segment horizontally on the top of the two 1's , the the other two line segments make the division sign, as when you write it out in longhand.

One alternate answer is:
1/pi = 113/355
(This alternate answer is correct to '7' decimal places.)

The other alternate answer is: 1/1=1^13355, although there are no decimal places in this answer, 2 people turned in this one, so I'll accept it.

4. You don't need to know anything about the boats' relative speeds.
When the boats first meet, the total distance they have traveled equals the width of the river. By the time they meet again, the total distance traveled equals 3 times the width of the river. The boats are each traveling at a constant speed, so they each will have traveled three times as far by the second meeting as the distance they'd traveled by the first time they met. Because the boat starting in New York had traveled 720 yards at the first meeting, it must have traveled 2160 yards at the time of the second meeting. But this distance is 400 yards from the other shore, so the width of the river equals 2160 - 400 = 1760 yards.

5. 18 lots
Mogul makes X lots at 18 each.
Profit is 18X - 243 (initial cost).
We are told this equals 6 x initial cost per lot.
So 18X - 243 = (6x243)/X.

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[edit, forgot to inlcude #5 answer.]
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Thanks Ron, thanks RNG!

The pi question was my favourite - felt great when I noticed that 355/113 was so close to pi. Smile

Have a good day all - I know I will. (As long as I pass "Solutions Architecture with Microsoft .NET". Whoopee, MS exams are too much fun.) Cool

When I read that Ashlyn had submitted 5+ answers I almost gave up hope, but she must have done something to finally make the RNG angry with her. Laughing

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congrats to Hilton! Yey

mazda.. looks like we got the bone with the green dot on it again........ Nod Laughing

great questions Ron.. Disco

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Another alternate answer to #3a is

0/11 = 0/113355

The two zero's are one line each and the two divides are another two lines thus equaling 4 lines.

A pretty 'cheap' answer, but an ansewr nonetheless

Edit: just noticed this. What happened to the answer to #5 I don't see it anywhere.


[Updated on: Wed, 21 January 2004 01:47]




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the answer to 5 is 18...

i think... least thats what I got... Embarassed

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Hatterson wrote on Wed, 21 January 2004 08:45

Another alternate answer to #3a is

0/11 = 0/113355

The two zero's are one line each and the two divides are another two lines thus equaling 4 lines.

A pretty 'cheap' answer, but an ansewr nonetheless



There are a couple of "cheap" answers. The cheapest of all is to use 1 line and put it through the "equals" to make "not equals". Otherwise place a diagonal line over the equals to make it "less than or equal to".

But the common thread with the line segments is that they are more or less straight. (2 line segments to make the "divide" sign). Otherwise you could add ANY digit and justify that it could be written with 1 line segment...

Quote:

Edit: just noticed this. What happened to the answer to #5 I don't see it anywhere.


18 plots.

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Huh? Answer 5 I forced from this equation:
(243/a) * 18) - 243 (profit?) =
6*(243/a) (cost of six lots?)

What am I doing wrong here? (cause my computer pretells the answer being 12...) Going insane



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Sinla wrote on Wed, 21 January 2004 10:28

Huh? Answer 5 I forced from this equation:
(243/a) * 18) - 243 (profit?) =
6*(243/a) (cost of six lots?)

What am I doing wrong here? (cause my computer pretells the answer being 12...) Going insane


I think your calculation for profit is wrong.

Profit is sales price - cost price
Sales price is (Number of lots) * $18.
Since (Number of lots) = a, your profit SHOULD read:

(a*18) - 243

243/a is the original price per lot. (243/a)*18 is a price times a price, which makes no sense.

Just to clarify - what do you mean "your computer tells you"... Do you have some nifty program you put that equation into and it solves it for you!?

I spent much of yesterday solving (-b+-sqrt(b^2-4ac))/2a by hand, don't tell me there's an easier way!

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There are several programs around...I use Mathematica frequently. Tho not this week. Maple is a linux based one I've used.

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Hatterson wrote on Wed, 21 January 2004 06:45

Another alternate answer to #3a is

0/11 = 0/113355

The two zero's are one line each and the two divides are another two lines thus equaling 4 lines.


Well, as you can see on the screen, a "0" is not a single line, it is 4 lines.
It's not about how you write it, otherwise you could even argue that a "x" is a single line.

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Ashlyn wrote on Wed, 21 January 2004 06:44

mazda.. looks like we got the bone with the green dot on it again........ Nod Laughing


I'm quite happy for a bone now and then. Grin

I like the pi answer, even though I didn't get it.

<--- * mazda looks at his bone *


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mazda wrote on Wed, 21 January 2004 12:05

I'm quite happy for a bone now and then. Grin


Mazda! I didn't know you were that way inclined...

Quote:

I like the pi answer, even though I didn't get it.

Ron, can you clarify something here for me?

(Call this puzzle #6).

Out of Mazda, Ashlyn and myself, 2 got 6 right and 1 got 5 right. So between the three of us there was ONLY ONE wrong answer.

Mazda has just said he didn't get the pi question.

Ron wrote on Wed, 21 January 2004 06:03

No one got the book correct answer of 812. (6 + 2 = 8, 9 + 3 = 12) but 2 people turned in the same alternate answer of 92


So that means that one of them also got THIS question wrong. So how is it possible that 2 people got 6 correct?

I'm just confused because that seems like a contradiction - can you clarify?

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For the pi question :-
The other alternate answer is: 1/1=1^13355
Which is correct to rather more than 6 d.p., hence I didn't really get the answer right if you take the tip as part of the question, but it is a solution using only 3 extra lines.

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mazda wrote on Wed, 21 January 2004 13:30

For the pi question :-
The other alternate answer is: 1/1=1^13355
Which is correct to rather more than 6 d.p., hence I didn't really get the answer right if you take the tip as part of the question, but it is a solution using only 3 extra lines.

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Whisper thats the same answer i got... i was quite happy with it Nod Ron was happy with it Nod thats why we got
da bone
< - - - - - - -

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Hilton, you got #2 incorrect.


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Ron wrote on Wed, 21 January 2004 19:11

Hilton, you got #2 incorrect.


How embarassing!? Embarassed Very typical Hilton...

Worked out the correct formula (switching the digits of column one and adding column three), but simply decided to subtract when submitting my answer. Very Happy

I'm glad to see that the RNG forgave me...

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Ron wrote on Wed, 21 January 2004 15:03

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3. a) 11 = - 11 + 33 - 55



One assumes you mean -11 - 33 + 55.



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