It is just the game idea... for players who are intermediates or better and are a bit bored of playing the stock designs.

All PRT-s are allowed but race design has lot of rules starting from lesser traits. Most rules are very logical i think. Rest of the rules... there i just ban all the stock numbers and settings so it is out of box.

One may not take IFE without taking CE too. Its logical they squeezed all out of their engines so now the engines obviously fail sometimes. One may take CE without IFE however.

AR, PP or IT must take ISB. These guys have tinkered out so powerful orbital devices or outright living in them why they did not pay attention to hull? Sure they did.

CA must have ARM and may not have OBRM. They can terraform remotely, they must be at top doing anything remotely.

If someone take TT he must have UR too. UR can be taken without TT of course.

JOAT cannot take NAS. How can be there NAS to guys who have advanced scanner inbuilt in any scout? Same with PP, they have pen scanner in any packet so it cannot be they have NAS. Same goes with SS.

Any race has to have bleeding edge technology. The technology companies simply sell the top edge stuff twice the price, nothing to do there.

Gravity immunity is banned to all but AR Immunity to gravity? There cannot be such species that ignore gravity without living in orbital. OTOH AR must be immune at least to gravity. If you are in orbital ... why you care about gravity?

Growth rates 19 and 18 are banned ... for HE growth rate 6 is banned.

Pop efficiency may not be 1000 or 2500. For AR it may not be 10.

Factories may not produce 5, 12 or 15 resources.

Factories may not cost 7, 9 or 25 resources.

There may not be 5, 16 or 21 factories operated.

10 mines may not mine 10 minerals.

The mines must cost something else than 3.

One may not have about as lot of mines operated as factories... that is if you have 15 factories operated you may not have 14 15 or 16 mines operated. The difference must be 2 at least.

Weapons may only be 50% cheaper to races who take GR lesser trait.

On the other hand no space faring race may be clumsy in researching propulsion. It may be 75% more expensive only if everything cost 75% more for that race.

All other suggestions and comments welcome. I would first like to hear if you are interested and what you think of such game.

I am not starting to host it right now bit too busy maybe month or two later... but the idea has been for some time so if someone wants to host it just tell. Oh yes the game setup if i host it ... something more usual maybe like:

Galaxy size medium (may vote)
Galaxy density dense (may vote)
Player positions distant.

Number of players ... 10 or more.

Slow tech advances.
Accelerated BBS Play.
Galaxy clumping.

Victory ... only one may win by consensus of others or by highest score at turn 150.


updated ISB and ARM rules

[Updated on: Sat, 01 November 2003 13:33]

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I'm game for that...

...just one question...

Kotk wrote on Fri, 31 October 2003 17:48

10 mines may not produce 10 resources.

Should that be 10 mines cannot produce 10kt of minerals?

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[Updated on: Sun, 02 November 2003 03:37]

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ahhh I see, well just wondering, can someone host this when Simplicity in bliss is over?

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BET is hard on nubs - and hard on AMP.

Which means do you take the range 1 433 damage beamer? or stump up for the AMP? Or go for the Mega D and get a range advantage?

It opens up alot more end game questioning of your ship designs. It also makes the majority of tech you'll be using end game come alot earlier. BB's at tech 13 doncha know

As for AR... I'm quite interested in playing AR with these settings!!!!!

Everyone has to take screwy hab/fact/mine settings. I can take my 25 eff with an AR race and then go either 19% growth 1/4 with grav immune or go to 17% growth bi-immune. Take GR and weapons/construction/energy cheap and then dump everything into energy for the first X turns.

I'm assuming that for AR races there will be other forced features??? I mean if IT and PP have to have ISB because of their obsession for orbital components - then what about those Ultra stations for AR? I hear those things have some really comfy couches!!!!!!!!!!



sweet deal if you ask me. Just gotta handle CE if I want the Fuel Mizer.

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Kotk wrote on Fri, 31 October 2003 12:48

CA must have ARM. They can terraform remotely, they must be at top doing anything remotely.

CA's should probably be banned from taking OBRM too. It is possible to take both, and OBRM would give you some points, as well as 10% bigger worlds.

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Thanks for good comments so far.
I will update the post with the no ARM/OBRM combo and AR should get ISB.

Yes, BET must stay. All have it ... so all are in complete "out of box" situation with it.

May happen that CA, JOAT and IT are still penalized too weakly ... i was first thinking to add MA to them but did not find any good excuses doing it.

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Kotk wrote on Sat, 01 November 2003 19:21

May happen that CA, JOAT and IT are still penalized too weakly ... i was first thinking to add MA to them but did not find any good excuses doing it.

IT must have MA.

First of all everybody knows of course that the starting gate turns matter into energy while the exit gate "translates" that energy back into matter.
ITs are able to gate their minerals (and pop) because during their "translation process" they can keep the "cargo minerals" seperated from the "hull minerals". (Something other races haven't figured out yet.)
Resources = energy so that must mean they can use their "translation process of turning energy into matter" (I would call it "alchemy" ) to also create more minerals out off "thin air" than other races can with their normal alchemy.

JoaT must have MA.

The fact that JoaTs are able to have more resources than any other race on a given planet must have a reason! Scientists have been wondering about that a long time: "Why would they need more than other races?" "What is the use for those extra resources?" they asked.
The answer is easy: JoaTs love Mineral Alchemy! And because they can't just help themselves spending resources on it they found ways to improve it.

CA must have MA.

This is almost similar to the Joat, because again we have a surplus of resources, afteral CAs don't use any resources to terraform! Yet all those resources are being generated anyway, including all the toxic waste polluting the planet.
This is in contradion what he CA stands for! Generate reources, pollute the planet in the process and afterwards not use the resources for terra? "No way! We will use those resources and we will use them wisely: turning them into minerals." And again to safe the enviroment and keep the pollution at a minimum they were able to impove their Mineral Alchemy.

mch

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Hmm... yes obviously IT has learned some secret how to transfer materials and energy. That is best excuse to have innate MA!

CA ... they are of course big freaks of materials and environment. Such beings may also develop MA very easily.

But JoAT ... okay i was always wondering why they are jack of all trades. They got no items to trade actually. They even greedily remove their inbuilt scanner from their frigates whenever they sell one as tech scrapper. Maybe the name is because they can turn resources into materials?

I am also been thinking why PP has so alien understanding of economy. They literally speaking ... throw their values around. Most carelessly, dirtily, right from the start and at ungodly speeds. MT rarely achieves such speeds. Why? There must be some hidden for my human eyes quality in doing so. Does PP fit with BET? In market economy it is obvious ... items at tech edge are sold very expensive. Prices drop even more than twice in few months. But PP ... may be they are immune to such considerations.

What you think?

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freakyboy wrote on Sun, 02 November 2003 15:39

Better excuse for CA to take MA... Mines are evil. They drill into the precious mother that is a planet. Therefore using solar energy and other such sources of non-polluting resource production they are able to create their own minerals since mining is the rape of the planet

That could be right however this is completely contrary to the fact that they must take ARM. Remote miners completely rape a planet, crack the crust and rip it apart to the core! (No idea how any race could live on a planet after it has been remote mined. )

mch

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Micha wrote on Mon, 03 November 2003 09:47

freakyboy wrote on Sun, 02 November 2003 15:39 Better excuse for CA to take MA... Mines are evil. They drill into the precious mother that is a planet. Therefore using solar energy and other such sources of non-polluting resource production they are able to create their own minerals since mining is the rape of the planet That could be right however this is completely contrary to the fact that they must take ARM. Remote miners completely rape a planet, crack the crust and rip it apart to the core! (No idea how any race could live on a planet after it has been remote mined. ) mch

It makes sense to me. You don't go around raping your own planets. Just other peoples

As my licsence to bum ciggy's says...my preferred brand is OP

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Kotk wrote on Sun, 02 November 2003 13:46

I am also been thinking why PP has so alien understanding of economy. They literally speaking ... throw their values around. Most carelessly, dirtily, right from the start and at ungodly speeds. MT rarely achieves such speeds. Why? There must be some hidden for my human eyes quality in doing so. Does PP fit with BET? In market economy it is obvious ... items at tech edge are sold very expensive. Prices drop even more than twice in few months. But PP ... may be they are immune to such considerations. What you think?

I think I could get excited about this one. I'm so bad with economic races that some good old fashioned W16 packets would be like coming home on Friday afternoons.

Count me in when this one officially gets off the ground.

EDog

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