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Re: Mac is a cheater |
Fri, 06 May 2011 01:01 |
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Eagle of Fire | | Lt. Commander | Messages: 809
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Well Gible, actually I think that glossary or term list or rule list or whatever it could be called would have no place on the Wiki because it would mostly be for use on Autohost.
The way I see it, it is a win/win scenario here: everybody help make a list of rules with explanations on what is possible and what is not possible under the rules so everything get cleared up before the game. That would prevent people feeling the rules of the game changed in the middle if the host actually had something else in mind.
On the hosting side, the host could simply read the rule list and pick what he thinks fits best the spirit of his game. Simplier, faster and with much reduced chance of surprise later in the game.
The way I see this, it would be something like this:
1.) The game restrict the amount of allies in this game to X...
1.A) Where "allies" refer to the players you can set as friends in the relation window.
1.B) Where "allies" refer to any other players which have direct helpful relations with you, would it be trade or exchange of any kind.
1.C) Same as 1.B, except that any obvious attempt to circumvent the previous rule would be harshly dealt with. Example: obvious wolf/lamb exchanges or pop drops between players who are already at their maximum number of allies.
etc. With better, lengthy explanations for each point of course.
Would be a pretty long list and would probably take a very long time to polish... But it is worth it IMHO.
Edit: Oh, and BTW... Here is the definition of Wikipedia on the word "cheating". It is really what I thought it would be too. Nothing controversial here, or even anything to discuss about this definition IMHO. Nothing to do with intent whatsoever.
Quote: | Cheating refers to the overt or covert breaking of rules to gain advantage in a competitive situation.
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Re: Mac is a cheater |
Fri, 06 May 2011 01:11 |
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magic9mushroom | | Commander | Messages: 1361
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Eagle of Fire wrote on Fri, 06 May 2011 15:01 | Well Gible, actually I think that glossary or term list or rule list or whatever it could be called would have no place on the Wiki because it would mostly be for use on Autohost.
The way I see it, it is a win/win scenario here: everybody help make a list of rules with explanations on what is possible and what is not possible under the rules so everything get cleared up before the game. That would prevent people feeling the rules of the game changed in the middle if the host actually had something else in mind.
On the hosting side, the host could simply read the rule list and pick what he thinks fits best the spirit of his game. Simplier, faster and with much reduced chance of surprise later in the game.
The way I see this, it would be something like this:
1.) The game restrict the amount of allies in this game to X...
1.A) Where "allies" refer to the players you can set as friends in the relation window.
1.B) Where "allies" refer to any other players which have direct helpful relations with you, would it be trade or exchange of any kind.
1.C) Same as 1.B, except that any obvious attempt to circumvent the previous rule would be harshly dealt with. Example: obvious wolf/lamb exchanges or pop drops between players who are already at their maximum number of allies.
etc. With better, lengthy explanations for each point of course.
Would be a pretty long list and would probably take a very long time to polish... But it is worth it IMHO.
Edit: Oh, and BTW... Here is the definition of Wikipedia on the word "cheating". It is really what I thought it would be too. Nothing controversial here, or even anything to discuss about this definition IMHO. Nothing to do with intent whatsoever.
Quote: | Cheating refers to the overt or covert breaking of rules to gain advantage in a competitive situation.
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While accidental rule-break is grounds for punitive action, I'm not so sure it fits the definition of cheating, since if you don't know you're committing an act, you can't be committing it with an intent to gain advantage.
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Re: Mac is a cheater |
Fri, 06 May 2011 04:29 |
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Eagle of Fire wrote on Fri, 06 May 2011 17:01 | Well Gible, actually I think that glossary or term list or rule list or whatever it could be called would have no place on the Wiki because it would mostly be for use on Autohost.
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hehe...the wiki IS on Autohost now
Quote: | The way I see it, it is a win/win scenario here: everybody help make a list of rules with explanations on what is possible and what is not possible under the rules so everything get cleared up before the game. That would prevent people feeling the rules of the game changed in the middle if the host actually had something else in mind.
On the hosting side, the host could simply read the rule list and pick what he thinks fits best the spirit of his game. Simplier, faster and with much reduced chance of surprise later in the game.
The way I see this, it would be something like this:
1.) The game restrict the amount of allies in this game to X...
1.A) Where "allies" refer to the players you can set as friends in the relation window.
1.B) Where "allies" refer to any other players which have direct helpful relations with you, would it be trade or exchange of any kind.
1.C) Same as 1.B, except that any obvious attempt to circumvent the previous rule would be harshly dealt with. Example: obvious wolf/lamb exchanges or pop drops between players who are already at their maximum number of allies.
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Short answer.. oh hell no.
I've taken part in creating enough in-game NAP/alliance treaties to know that how much of a nightmare it can be haggling the details for a mere 2-4 partners nevermind trying to create an optional list to cover everyone.
OTOH if you're suggesting a game of Nomic, I'd be up for that - in the Circular File.
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Re: Mac is a cheater |
Fri, 06 May 2011 11:47 |
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m.a@stars | | Commander | Messages: 2765
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Eagle of Fire wrote on Fri, 06 May 2011 07:24 | cheating per se is not really as big an offense as MA try to put it.
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Obviously the minor stuff, like what Mac did, has little or no importance whatsoever outside the games where it happens.
What you don't remember, or don't want to acknowledge, is that for more than a decade the general consensus among this community of players is that only the major stuff was even worth mentioning, let alone taking measures against.
So for all practical purposes, your definition of "cheating" doesn't really matter. Wikipedia is not the authoritative source on how we run our show. We are. If you don't want to play along, fine, that's your problem.
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Re: Mac is a cheater |
Fri, 06 May 2011 11:48 |
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[email | m.a@stars[/email] wrote on Fri, 06 May 2011 21:17]
What you don't remember, or don't want to acknowledge, is that for more than a decade the general consensus among this community of players is that only the major stuff was even worth mentioning, let alone taking measures against.
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I don't agree with that.. at all !!
Perhaps a change is in order.
Edit - Yea.. adding ma@star's next reply as a quote before the reply itself. Didn't want to double post.
m.a@stars wrote on Fri, 06 May 2011 21:20 | Which is why the major cheats, all of them well known for a long time, deserve a different punishment than that of the minor stuff, where it does actually happen often that people don't understand or just plain forget what the game-rule was.
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That I agree with.
Minor stuff = minor cheats () does require punishment
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Re: Mac is a cheater |
Fri, 06 May 2011 14:44 |
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Ron | | Commander Forum Administrator Stars! AutoHost Administrator | Messages: 1231
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All right folks, I think everyone has had more than enough time to say what they wanted to say as clearly as they could.
I'm locking this thread. If you must continue, please PM each other
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