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IT-HP I once tried:

NRSE, OBRM, NAS
immune, -100/52, 46,86 (1 in 6), 17% growth.
15/8/21, 10/4/14 (+ checkbox )
weap,cons cheap, en,elec normal.

OBRM: bit risky, especially with the pretty sucky mines. Did work out ok though, because everybody had quite some space to grow. That's the first priority for playing an HP anyway!
Also I prefer having RS actually...

the immunity made the worlds bigger, but they were a bit few in the beginning. I would try it w/o the immunity next time I play.
Then you can also have some better mines, which should maybe be a bit better than these anyways. Growthrate played well (maybe it can even be set to 16% with the immunity?).
Factorysettings are optimum. I would recommend them for every HP. Especially the 21 operated is great for not too big a cost. Cost 7 to build is too expensive, cost 9 to build is terribly slow for an HP and are no real options IMO.

What I really liked about this race is the great tech In 2484 I had endgametech (and there was NO AccBBS!). Only 1 race I traded with (and I only got energy from him). Oh, I was missing elec19, that came in 2486
Only a terrible germ shortage

Not the greatest race, but hey, I was only just beginning

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My trick with my (1i, so rather good in growing pop) HP was keeping all worlds on 25% cap untill they build all there factories (remember, I had 17%). Exces pop was in freighters. Then terraform, then to 33%, terraform some more, then to 50%. And in between the extra terra when it is available. When they were all terraformed and ready I let them grow on and after a few years I topped them off to 100% with all those colonists in orbit (or I gated them in if necessary). This works rather well and in 2489 I had more than 6 million people in freighters. A popdropwar with an HP
I had 87 planets, 22 of which where at 100% capacity (these 22 where good for... 79096 resources! Yeehaw!)
This makes me think: There should be a nice puzzle in this. What were the values of those 22 planets (race elsewhere in this thread)

At that time (I was starting the Nubera... No AccBBs ya know) my curve was going thru the roof! I even was keeping some worlds down in there factories, because I needed the germ for the ships.

I really came to the conclusion that 16% wouldn't play that different with this race (who could ever dream that this was viable?).

But still, the difficulty in building a gate on new worlds was really annoying.

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Sotek wrote on Tue, 18 November 2003 00:14

You don't have enough germ. What are your mine settings?

Generally the same as my factory settings. If I have 24 factories, I have 24 mines, 10 efficiency. If anything, I'll build more mines than factories, because I've tried unequal factory-mine settings weighted in favor of factories, and weighted in favor of mines, and I prefer the mines to be equal or greater than the factories.

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Do you have the g box checked?

ALWAYS!!! With any race!!! (I don't do -F....colloidal frigate hordes, bah!)

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Are you exporting germ from your well-developed worlds to your new ones?

Yes. Once I HAVE a well developed world, at least. It takes forever to get my HW to mature. Often it has a crappy germanium concentration, but that's the breaks, right? I don't restart the testbed when the mineral concentrations are at 30 or less, I just deal with it. A competent race should be able to deal with whatever it's dealt in mineral concentrations.

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And remember, population growth *compounds*.

Don't even start with the math. Wait, what the heck do you mean, "it compounds"? With 1/2500 efficiency what is the value of it compounding?

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Factories grow FAR, *FAR* faster than people, for an HP.

Not for me, they don't. Even with 15/7/# settings and much lower growth than 17%. Eventually (as it gets close to matching factories to the available population level) the planet builds factories at an astounding rate, but it takes forever to get going just with population and a supply of germanium.

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Even an HG's factories can catch up to people reasonably quickly, with enough germ.

Well, that's understandable to me. The HG model just seems far superior. Like I said, drop 500,000 HG colonists on a new world and they actually work. They seem to get the factories going much faster than the HP. Drop 500,000 HP colonists on a new world and they just look around for the unemployment office, because they're spoiled factory-union laborers and refuse to lift a shovel.

Now that we've ascertained that I use WONDERFUL mine settings as well as factory settings, and that I'm not just leaving germanium lying around while other worlds are starving for it...

Of what value is hordes of population that don't do diddly for me until the factories are built? Am I just exaggerating the uselessness of population with 1/2500 efficiency? That's possible. I didn't just now do a testbed; I'm writing from jaded reflections of testbed HP races that just didn't seem to compete with my HG attempts.

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Sinla wrote on Tue, 18 November 2003 00:54

My trick with my (1i, so rather good in growing pop) HP was keeping all worlds on 25% cap untill they build all there factories (remember, I had 17%). Exces pop was in freighters. Then terraform, then to 33%, terraform some more, then to 50%. And in between the extra terra when it is available. When they were all terraformed and ready I let them grow on and after a few years I topped them off to 100% with all those colonists in orbit (or I gated them in if necessary). This works rather well and in 2489 I had more than 6 million people in freighters. A popdropwar with an HP I had 87 planets, 22 of which where at 100% capacity (these 22 where good for... 79096 resources! Yeehaw!)

I think perhaps I was expecting too much by 2450. I never got my worlds above 50%, never testbedded past 2450 before deciding my HP was hopeless, with worse tech and resource production than the typical HG at that point. Perhaps my whole problem is just having unrealistic expectations that could not be met within the time I gave it, and giving up before getting to the point where the HP shines and needs the extra population growth. Possible?

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Well, you got to give it time to work, Zoid

The game I played (it's my only reference to HP, so I keep on using it - nonAccBBS, HW at 27 germconc ):
2425: 800 resources...
2436: 3100 resources. Hw finished this year! In testbeds with better germconc. this was *much* sooner (and then you have lots of germ to fly around with also).
2450: 12k. Maybe with AccBBS this is lots higher, but hey
2460: 28k. Curve is getting more vertical every year now...
2470: 58k.
2480: 87k. Here it is seems to have not been growing quite as hard...
and game ended at 2489: 126k.
Could have done better s'ppose, but MM was a bit tiresome for some while (and RL also btw).
With this race I had great techsettings however (23/26/14/26/19/14 when the game ended. Only traded with one race, which provided energy).

If you're looking for an HP with 25k in 2450... Not that easy I think...



(hey, I spent alot more cents on this topic I think )

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Zoid wrote
"Of what value is hordes of population that don't do diddly for me until the factories are built? Am I just exaggerating the uselessness of population with 1/2500 efficiency?"

You may be exaggerating a little. (assume factory cost 8 )
Plan is drop a load on a new world (2K) so you have 80 resources = 10 new factories. Leave 3 turns and you have 40 factories (give or take 3).
40 factories gives 60 resources leave some colonists (say 20% of capacity) so you then have at least 80 resources = 10 factories so it will now grow on its own (feed with G if required)
The rest of the colonists move on to the next world.
Any surplus pop over 25% moves onto new worlds from any turn after that.

This works even better if you have Huge numbers of pop
Drop 6K 3 turns = 100 factories. Leave 1K to work factories and move on.

Just my (cents where the hell are the pennys)
All maths above is "Close Enough"

[Mod edit: fixed the "8 )" since it turned into a ]

[Updated on: Wed, 19 November 2003 17:34] by Moderator

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