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Populated, uninhabited planets? Mon, 28 July 2003 05:54 Go to next message
Captain Maim is currently offline Captain Maim

 
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I've been trying to wrap my head around how this happened.. and so far I've not yet found a way to duplicate this.. But can anyone tell me how a planet can have a population AND be uninhabied.. I know it's possible.. It happened by accident during a game I was in.. I've even got the M file to prove it.. Plus a picture.. The historical data for the planet is vague.. All that could be determined was a frieghter coming to drop 1200kt of colonits arrived sometime before.. or.. after a PP packet annihilated the whole population. Since turn gens were by 5 year incraments, and half the historical data is missing... I've not been able to recreate the event.... But the planet was not colonizable (caused an error to the client when saving the X file) But the population was easily accessable, and seemed to have grown yet still read 0 colonits...

This ever happened to anyone else??? If so can you explain how it happened please???



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Re: Populated, uninhabited planets? Tue, 29 July 2003 11:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hatterson is currently offline Hatterson

 
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Was an IS race involved? Strange things happen when they park huge fleets in orbit of planets. The colonists overflow the freighter holds and flood down to the planet. Eventually the population on the planet causes and overflow error on the planet population variable. This can result in negative population and, although I have never seen it, I guess theoretically it could display a population of zero on an inhabited world.

Edit: I expanded the massage a bit.


[Updated on: Tue, 29 July 2003 12:16]




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Re: Populated, uninhabited planets? Tue, 29 July 2003 22:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No.. the orginal owner was an SS..

And I've played with the bug you speak of quite a bit. And actually what happens is the population does to funny things after hit spikes passed 2 billion. And what happens there is it really does keep going up and up and at that point the people that normally are dying off because of overcrowding... Well they stop dying and the population can actually grow on it's own after 2 billion.. I had a planet that got upto 800 billion before (how can I tell? Cargo display shows the TRUE number of people on a planet and it never goes negative.. That's how)

But No.... It was an SS a PP and who knows whom else was involved. But the result was a planet that says "uninhabited" acts like an uninhabited planet, has 0 stated colonts, yet when a freighter is in orbit, colonists are on the surface and.. Appear, to grow down there. Which to say the least is confusing. I'd like to have studied this phenomina further but I couldn't recreate it in the "Lab" as it were...

Thanks for the imput though.. Anything else? Anyone?



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Re: Populated, uninhabited planets? Wed, 30 July 2003 08:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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could you make the files public?
I'd like to see this for myself!



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Re: Populated, uninhabited planets? Wed, 30 July 2003 11:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hatterson is currently offline Hatterson

 
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Well, you officially have me confused and dumb-founded (Some may be tempted to knock the '-founded' off of that last description).

You were using a non-edited Stars! game, right? Assuming your Stars! game wasn't edited, were you using the J-patch or one of the older versions?



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Re: Populated, uninhabited planets? Wed, 30 July 2003 20:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Captain Maim is currently offline Captain Maim

 
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It happened on Autohost.. The game's over now.. I named the files to match the planet in question.
My friend said that it corrupted his turn everytime he tried to colonize on the planet. But using it to store people appeared to be okay..
Public eh? Yeah hold on, I'll just got take a perverbial hammer to some nails and beat some things up and see if I can't make my web page or some webpage I own behave or whatever.. For me this will be a few minutes.. For you.. a few more words.. Smile

<wack> <Wack> <Wack>... <Sputter> <Sputter>... <BOOM!> <Hsssssss>....

Rats... I'll email them to ya if you want... Seems all my public space has.... blown up temporarily. Should have some back in a day or two..

<BING!>

Hmm I think I've got something.. Try this:
http://home.mchsi.com/~morthotos/Schwiing.zip
Password is "ufoLGG1"
Head to planet "Schwiing" of course. Play and frolic with the freighter.. Ask me silly questions like "Why 15 years read" and I'll give you silly answers... like "It's because it has a 5 turn per gen thing.. And.. I don't know.. But that data should cover the whole event history.. So it's all good.



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Re: Populated, uninhabited planets? Thu, 31 July 2003 04:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tiny addendum look at Jones.. It doesn't have a freighter in orbit to verify that it's got a stealth population like Schwiiing does, but if you click on it, you can see the surface minerals without 1) a population on the planet 2) any kind of ship in orbit.
The same is true of Schwiiing but at least in that case you can see kinda the reason why. (it's still inhabited.. Sorta.)

I've noticed that this effect was perpetrated by the same race nearly or on the same year. (2 packets hit and killed 2 planets leaving these ghost populations.) Ooo creepy, and yet, almost cool.

This has to have happened to someone.. Right?


[Updated on: Thu, 31 July 2003 04:25]




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Re: Populated, uninhabited planets? Sat, 09 August 2003 21:57 Go to previous message
Captain Maim is currently offline Captain Maim

 
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Isn't anyone going to make some conjecture about the data? I gave you the files to look over.. Not that you can do much but look.. But the whole history is there.. and 2 planets are affected.. Can anyone tell me if this has happened before??? And if so HOW!


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