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where is CA permaforming in the order of events? Wed, 18 July 2018 18:44 Go to next message
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The order of events page [https://wiki.starsautohost.org/wiki/Order_of_Events] lists instaforming after WP1 actions, but it doesn't specify where permaforming is. Does someone know if permaforming is before or after WP1 orders?

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Re: where is CA permaforming in the order of events? Wed, 15 August 2018 17:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It apparently happens after the build queue is processed, but before pop growth. Rolling Eyes


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Re: where is CA permaforming in the order of events? Fri, 17 August 2018 09:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Excellent, we're doing pop invasions for tech trade and one of the planets is -1% for me, so it's good to know that it gets a chance to permaform if I own it between WP0 and WP1 orders.

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Re: where is CA permaforming in the order of events? Sun, 19 August 2018 02:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mrvan wrote on Fri, 17 August 2018 15:53
chance to permaform

IIRC, odds of Permaforming increased with pop size. Unless it was with years owned. Rolling Eyes



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Re: where is CA permaforming in the order of events? Mon, 20 August 2018 10:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Does it? I always thought it was a flat chance. If I have time I'll test it (and might as well test whether it occurs before or after WP1 orders)

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Re: where is CA permaforming in the order of events? Thu, 30 August 2018 04:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I did a small simulation of chance-to-permaform, and it seems it is indeed dependent on population:

Setup: started a new game, colonized 3 planets and sent 0, 1, or 3 MFs pop, exported planet values, then 900 times genned a single turn and exported planet values, compared GravOrig:RadOrig and counted how often they were different

Results:


Planet       chance(%)  Population
Diamond        0.2            2900
Blush          2.3           24300
Johnson        6.8           75900


So at low pop values it seems almost linear, pretty sure it has to have a ceiling. I'm actually surprised by the high chance of a 'hit', 68 changes in 1000 trials for a moderately sized planet - O thought it would be closed to 1% per turn...




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Re: where is CA permaforming in the order of events? Sat, 01 September 2018 04:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Fascinating! Cool

Can you test with more planets and wider pop ranges? Say, from 100 to 1000000? Teleport

Also, see if distance from actual to ideal Hab plays any role...


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Re: where is CA permaforming in the order of events? Mon, 01 October 2018 06:57 Go to previous message
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mrvan wrote on Thu, 30 August 2018 10:29

Results:
Planet       chance(%)  Population
Diamond        0.2            2900
Blush          2.3           24300
Johnson        6.8           75900


So at low pop values it seems almost linear, pretty sure it has to have a ceiling. I'm actually surprised by the high chance of a 'hit', 68 changes in 1000 trials for a moderately sized planet - O thought it would be closed to 1% per turn...

Well, if you pick the CA for a race, the last sentence of its description says it has up to 10% permaforming chance per turn. Data you collected implies there has to be 100k pop for full chance, but it does look like 1%, not 10%.

Nice work tho! Nod Thumbs Up

BR, Iztok



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