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Re: The Ring 2 |
Thu, 30 March 2017 14:06 |
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Hi,
maybe some handicap for SS the winning race of the first ring game ?
ccmaster
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Re: The Ring 2 |
Thu, 30 March 2017 16:04 |
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yes even a better idea.
He absolute dominate the game. I vote for a hanicap of 200 Points.😁👿
ccmaster
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Re: The Ring 2 |
Thu, 30 March 2017 17:37 |
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Some information how the last game developed and who won it how with what PRT would be, indeed, great!
The thread is already open in the Game Stories section but nothing has been told yet:
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Re: The Ring 2 |
Thu, 30 March 2017 21:19 |
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ManicLurch | | Lt. Junior Grade | Messages: 462
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ccmaster wrote on Thu, 30 March 2017 14:02Hi,
when will the game start ? When is the deadline of races ?
ccmaster
I haven't set a deadline yet, I was waiting for another player or two. Are you playing? Once we have 8 or 9 players, we will finalize a these last rule details and set a deadline.
Quote:maybe some handicap for SS the winning race of the first ring game ?
I will consider a SS handicap. Not only was the winner a SS, but the player who was in 2nd for 2/3 of the game was an SS. But I hate to give SS a penalty since it already has less points to use than most other PRTs.
Quote:Or how about a penalty for the player who won the last game instead ?
No, I don't want to do that. If Nmid wins this one, well maybe in the next ring game we would do that.
Quote:No -f HE for CC, but it should be open for other players
No, it is banned for everyone.
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Re: The Ring 2 |
Thu, 30 March 2017 22:44 |
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ManicLurch wrote on Fri, 31 March 2017 06:53
Then what? Is the player set to dead and his planets are all up for grabs? Do the planets automatically go to the attacker? What if more than one player is attacking, who gets the planets?
Interesting idea, but I think I will pass on it for this game, we are already giving the host some work, I don't want to give them any more.
Whoever gets all the planets in that 181 ly range gets the race to control.
If required, I can be the host if we enable conquering races + also act as a mail drop to ensure anonymity.
I would love to play in such a game and hopefully one of the players in this game will pay it forward and host the next one!
(Ps - this has nothing to do with the (now dismissed) penalty for the last winning race / player )
If feasible, I wouldn't like newcomers (unless there's another co-player/mentor with them) as they generally don't realise the fast tempo and their neighbours get to expand far more aggressively without resistance.
ManicLurch wrote on Fri, 31 March 2017 06:49Quote:maybe some handicap for SS the winning race of the first ring game ?
I will consider a SS handicap. Not only was the winner a SS, but the player who was in 2nd for 2/3 of the game was an SS. But I hate to give SS a penalty since it already has less points to use than most other PRTs.
Quote:Or how about a penalty for the player who won the last game instead ?
No, I don't want to do that. If Nmid wins this one, well maybe in the next ring game we would do that.
Quote:No -f HE for CC, but it should be open for other players
No, it is banned for everyone.
Stop jinxing me, everyone.
CC's already knocking at my doorstep in GTP!
@ManicLurch I was just kidding about the -f HE being allowed to other players (re:CCmaster).
What's a thread about a new game without some banter
Speaking of which, The SS has no more advantage in this setup than any other monster!!
If we are going anonymous players with no comms, I can't speak about another race which I believe is quite strong in this setup.
Don't touch -my- the SS. cough.
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Re: The Ring 2 |
Fri, 31 March 2017 07:38 |
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Akchir | | Crewman 3rd Class | Messages: 5
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ManicLurch wrote on Thu, 30 March 2017 21:27Akchir wrote on Thu, 30 March 2017 10:02Interested
How interested? You have a little time, but not much to decide for sure.
I see you are newly registered. What is your experience level?
The reason I ask is this isn't a good game for beginners. If you are experienced, then you are welcome to play in this game. If you are a beginner, it would be best to wait for the next beginner game. I will even start a new beginner game if needed.
I want to play. I haven't played in multiplayer and I'm sure ring2 isn't best place for the first time
About beginner game last game started a month ago, it took 2 month to get 3 newbies and what one newbie can learn from another? You put some experienced players in beginner game it's ok, but how it's different from one beginner in normal game? If you afraid, my neighbors will have an advantage because of my inexperience let me play without race handicap, don't shoot me for first ~30 years or something
You can open new game for beginners and if before ring2 galaxy setup there will be less than 3 "beginners" please, let me play here
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Re: The Ring 2 |
Fri, 31 March 2017 08:05 |
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BackBlast wrote on Fri, 31 March 2017 11:55I like the overall penalties for the various races. I do want to comment on SS and IS though.
SS I think benefits particularly from the arrangement of the game. Weapons expensive and no comms, no trading. This forces more research to occur than in an alliance game or one without forced expensive techs. Which yields bigger benefits to SS than other arrangements. SS also gets to avoid the paranoia that tends to happen to SS neighbors - the neighbors are limited to "two". Of all the game arrangements I've seen, this is one that is rather more favorable for it. Having the best intelligence net doesn't hurt either when other people can't help you out. The performance in the last game suggests that you are likely to get even more SS (and IS as a counter) in this game. Or maybe that's because people who want to play SS look for such games where they stand a chance at all. I've never actually played a game where SS won. But then, I've never played SS beyond toying around
Compare this to say WM and HE. In a diplomacy free environment these races with more glaring weaknesses have a much more difficult time shoring them up through some kind of ally, which penalizes them harder relative to the other non-econ PRTs.
I'd recommend a 10 pt penalty and/or 10 scrapper reduction for SS due to the somewhat more favorable game conditions.
IT has a very distinct advantage with the setup, and has been penalized accordingly. IS could use a penalty closer to 40 points IMHO. They are the race, behind IT, that could most readily and easily move production to the center area. You have mentioned some concern over them and I tend to agree. If you combined it with a SS penalty I think you might level things out a tad bit more.
Fair points.
The reason why I don't like the SS being penalised is that it has a horrible PRT RW points setup.
If you plan on penalizing the SS for it's one saving grace, then you should penalize the IS for it's freighter pop growth more, the WM for it's specialised hulls that are a game changer at the CC stage. The races that are currently over-penalized are the IT and the JOAT.
I can use the same tactics that I played the SS with on the 3 other powerhouses (IS, WM, JOAT) and do equally well.
Most of the players know that I generally don't attack first, past the midway point between homeworlds but when I get attacked, I'm fully ready for war.
(Ps - That's why I want anonymous players, so we don't have past experience to know how a neighbour will act).
IT should have 100 points instead of 150 penalty. I don't think any race is viable with a -150 point penalty.. except perhaps CA.
JOAT should not have double penalty.. I personally don't like it being forced not to take NAS. 25 points penalty is good enough. It's meant to be a powerhouse with an early game scout boost. You're impairing the early game boost it has and I've always said the starting 20 years decides the game. This is in line with what I said earlier, the IS, WM dont get penalised for it's race advantages while the JOAT gets hit.
IS getting 25 penalty is on the lower side but janusz (who played an IS in the last game) will be in a better position to comment about it. He got embroiled in a prolonged neighbour war against an SD (Eddie), but his expansion was in the top 3.
We should have -25,-50 and -100 as the penalty points.
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Re: The Ring 2 |
Fri, 31 March 2017 08:09 |
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Akchir wrote on Fri, 31 March 2017 17:08ManicLurch wrote on Thu, 30 March 2017 21:27Akchir wrote on Thu, 30 March 2017 10:02Interested
How interested? You have a little time, but not much to decide for sure.
I see you are newly registered. What is your experience level?
The reason I ask is this isn't a good game for beginners. If you are experienced, then you are welcome to play in this game. If you are a beginner, it would be best to wait for the next beginner game. I will even start a new beginner game if needed.
I want to play. I haven't played in multiplayer and I'm sure ring2 isn't best place for the first time
About beginner game last game started a month ago, it took 2 month to get 3 newbies and what one newbie can learn from another? You put some experienced players in beginner game it's ok, but how it's different from one beginner in normal game? If you afraid, my neighbors will have an advantage because of my inexperience let me play without race handicap, don't shoot me for first ~30 years or something
You can open new game for beginners and if before ring2 galaxy setup there will be less than 3 "beginners" please, let me play here
If he's playing, he should play a weekend duel of 50 years with any of us + his race should be checked by a mentor who makes sure he doesn't take a slow start HP race or GR/UR as a PRT etc.
Give him the centre spawn so he can expand, he'll get the experience + it will be a good impediment for the border races to expand to the middle.
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Re: The Ring 2 |
Fri, 31 March 2017 09:21 |
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I think PRT balancing has gone way beyond what it should.
Some hosts are trying to give the players new experiences with unique settings which empowers or weakens certain PRTs... and that's great! Why creating scenarios to juggle around the usual strengths and weaknesses of the PRTs to only trying really hard to balance everything out again right afterwards.
Almost all scenarios are for rather experienced players and those don't need babysitting. It's their own responsibility, challenge and joy to analyze the game setting and think which PRT with which strategies and tactics is best suited for it, to show ways to play with a PRT which are often enough not possible in a "normal" game.
In the past years we had so great scenario games with hosts really putting much work into it... and then everything gets balanced and evened out again. And every successful players' PRT gets punished. That's stupid and an extremely weird application of mediocrity. As a matter of fact it is the try to play in a scenario as if there weren't a scenario. As if nobody here wants to adapt and to try out new stuff. Hey, I know that most players are exactly the opposite. So don't behave so weird.
nmid wrote on Fri, 31 March 2017 04:44Stop jinxing me, everyone.
Does this mean you won the last Ring game with a super stealth race in a solo-game without alliance?
Very impressive!
Weren't you a newbie in one of my FA-games just a few... it feels like month... ago?
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Re: The Ring 2 |
Fri, 31 March 2017 10:20 |
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ManicLurch | | Lt. Junior Grade | Messages: 462
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Quote:I want to play. I haven't played in multiplayer and I'm sure ring2 isn't best place for the first time Wink
About beginner game last game started a month ago, it took 2 month to get 3 newbies Very Happy and what one newbie can learn from another? You put some experienced players in beginner game it's ok, but how it's different from one beginner in normal game? If you afraid, my neighbors will have an advantage because of my inexperience let me play without race handicap, don't shoot me for first ~30 years or something Twisted Evil
You can open new game for beginners and if before ring2 galaxy setup there will be less than 3 "beginners" please, let me play here Rolling Eyes
Yes, the primary reason to not allow newbies in a regular game is the advantage it gives your neighbors. I do agree that you learn more playing against experienced players.
Quote:If he's playing, he should play a weekend duel of 50 years with any of us + his race should be checked by a mentor who makes sure he doesn't take a slow start HP race or GR/UR as a PRT etc.
Give him the centre spawn so he can expand, he'll get the experience + it will be a good impediment for the border races to expand to the middle
I don't know about spawning him in the middle, but the other options seem like a good idea. Especially the dueling, if he can show that he can play well against experienced players in a few duels before the game starts, then we should consider letting him play. We do need to grow our player community after all.
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Re: The Ring 2 |
Fri, 31 March 2017 12:57 |
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BackBlast | | | Messages: 215
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nmid wrote on Fri, 31 March 2017 05:05Fair points.
The reason why I don't like the SS being penalised is that it has a horrible PRT RW points setup.
If you plan on penalizing the SS for it's one saving grace, then you should penalize the IS for it's freighter pop growth more, the WM for it's specialised hulls that are a game changer at the CC stage. The races that are currently over-penalized are the IT and the JOAT.
SS Gets more toys and boons than any other race in the game. That's why it's one of the most expensive PRTs. SS also has no obvious built-in glaring weaknesses - only that which came with the RW purchase of the PRT. You aren't trading those points in for nothing
I'm an experienced WM player. It is also an expensive PRT with many toys. I've played it more than any other PRT in large multiplayer games. I'm intimately familiar with it's strengths and weaknesses. While the strengths are strong, so are the weaknesses. The strengths don't get any stronger with this setup yet the weaknesses are even worse. The overall balance is negative. I'm not inclined to pick it for this game. But I also usually pick it for role playing points and fun anyway, not because I expect to win. I have and do pilot it to respectable finishes.
This game is purely tactical and I would only play with the expectation of trying to win outright. This strikes WM from my personal list.
Quote:IT should have 100 points instead of 150 penalty. I don't think any race is viable with a -150 point penalty.. except perhaps CA.
Might be too harsh, IT already is the most expensive PRT. I'm playing a race with a -150 point penalty right now. It hurts. A lot.
Quote:JOAT should not have double penalty.. I personally don't like it being forced not to take NAS. 25 points penalty is good enough. It's meant to be a powerhouse with an early game scout boost. You're impairing the early game boost it has and I've always said the starting 20 years decides the game.
I'm not seeing the impairment. I actually think the JOAT penalty is on the light side. NAS is a 95 RW point mine for the price of gaining an additional advantage of doubling normal scanner range. As it currently stands, JOAT is still the strongest economic race with the current layout. It's just not quite as overwhelmingly so. I kind of like where it's at.
If you want to be able to take JOAT and NAS, I'm in favor of allowing it if you accept the additional -95 point penalty for the advantage - making the move a net zero.
Quote:This is in line with what I said earlier, the IS, WM dont get penalised for it's race advantages while the JOAT gets hit.
But IS does have a penalty...? And I did talk in favor about boosting it.
Anyway, sounds like we have a host and he should finalize the rules and end our colorful discussion with the hammer of finality
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