| Re: Slow boat to China |
Thu, 12 March 2015 05:44   |
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 XAPBob |
 | Lt. Commander |
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I had been looking at CA, thinking that it was pretty easily strong enough with that hab, and a quick test confirmed it. You may only have ~15% growth, but that pop keeps growing, and will sustain close to that 15% for a long while thanks to the TF abilities of the CA.
Could force non -f as well.... I was hoping that -TT would have enough of a detrimental effect, but I suspect that the points from -f are too many for the CA, compensating for the extreme hab.
Some time passes...
That does make it hard!
Maybe just "factory cost no more than 15 res", to enourage some factory capability, and nerf the massive points mine (150ish between 15 and 25)...
Some time passes...
That is painful, but possible, can still maintain that ~15% PGR - although the tech isn't as good it is still better than I've seen in some games.
Would need to playtest, but I suspect that as an alliance member it would still be powerful. I'd certainly like to start next to that race...
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| Re: Slow boat to China |
Fri, 13 March 2015 16:58 |
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| ManicLurch |
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There are a few good ideas for balancing CA in this thread. I suggest when running testbeds to verify these ideas, also test the impact of their ally receiving OAs, which is a huge boost to their ally. I would think that a good result would be one that slows down the CA enough to compensate for both their own free terraforming as well as their allies terraforming from OAs.
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| Re: Slow boat to China |
Fri, 13 March 2015 17:26 |
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| skoormit |
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XAPBob wrote on Thu, 12 March 2015 04:44I had been looking at CA, thinking that it was pretty easily strong enough with that hab, and a quick test confirmed it. You may only have ~15% growth, but that pop keeps growing, and will sustain close to that 15% for a long while thanks to the TF abilities of the CA.
Could force non -f as well.... I was hoping that -TT would have enough of a detrimental effect, but I suspect that the points from -f are too many for the CA, compensating for the extreme hab.
Some time passes...
That does make it hard!
Maybe just "factory cost no more than 15 res", to enourage some factory capability, and nerf the massive points mine (150ish between 15 and 25)...
Intriguing.
Such a restriction (on maximum factory cost) is tantamount to charging a 150 point penalty for a CA to be -f.
If the CA stays +f, he does not pay the penalty, but he has a harder time compensating for the slow ramp of the 15% pgr in the early game, when germ is tight. He gets even more resources in the long term, in theory, but he has a harder time competing for planets in the early game.
What we need's a few good taters.Report message to a moderator
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| Re: Slow boat to China |
Thu, 19 March 2015 04:12 |
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| XAPBob |
| Lt. Commander |
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So I take LSP/NAS/... to get the race valid, then get rid of them all when my PGR is down...
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| Re: Slow boat to China |
Sat, 21 March 2015 03:50 |
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| jscoble |
 | Warrant Officer |
Messages: 116
Registered: January 2008
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It all comes down to what the people who are joining a given game will accept. If someone has an attitude of "Ah hates AR! Ain't gonna play inna game dat haz any AR! Grrr!" then you can have that player, or allow AR, but not both.
But it seems to me that CA is a victim of prejudice here - if a CA race does well in a game, no it can't be due to the player's skill at econ management, or diplomacy, or luck-of-the-draw in planet layout, like any other PRT. No, no, a CA always does well because of Instaforming.
If someone takes the CA PRT and wins, that will just convince some people that whatever penalties the host imposed on the PRT weren't enough.
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| Re: Slow boat to China |
Sun, 22 March 2015 12:23 |
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| ludek |
 | Crewman 1st Class |
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Registered: December 2009 | |
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I'm interested in participating but for one day in a week I will be unable to submit turn (I just get up, get out of home and return to fall into bed).
Regarding CA restriction, with those posted CA may be as weel as banned.
If we want it in the game point penality or just inablity of chosing TT should do fine.
CA is fast race, I played many (mainly -f ones) and it's difficult to be average with CA, either CA
utilizes it's advantage or is just another race without any special ability ( terraforming later in
the game isn't something big) and siginificant edge in resources. So as I think either those balance
patches cripple CA or seemeingly there won't be any impact in performance. Also I agree with opinon
that a lot depends CA neigbours.
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