| Definitional dispute. |
Sat, 24 November 2012 23:50  |
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 magic9mushroom |
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Eagle of Fire and myself are currently arguing over the definition of "war" in Stars!.
He claims that it's not "war" to simply "reclaim his own territory" which he claims I've violated with peaceful colonisation.
I claim that it is indeed "war" to shoot down ships and bomb or popdrop planets without permission, regardless of territorial claims.
I may be missing something, so I'd like to hear the Stars! community's definitions of "war". That way, we can sort this out and decide whether we're "at war" or not. 
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| Re: Definitional dispute. |
Sun, 25 November 2012 12:59  |
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| Marduk |
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My personal definition of "at war" is: it is after the year 2400, I am in the same game with another race, and we aren't allied. The war might not currently involve shooting, but that doesn't mean I am not "at war". And really, it is up to you. It takes two to tango, but only one to wage war. If you say you are at war with him, that makes it true.
If you need an excuse, other races/nations/opinions are different; therefore evil and a threat to your existence; therefore must be destroyed (or subjugated, I suppose, though historically that has seldom ended well when applied to sentients). This logic has worked well for the human race for millenia. No reason it would not work as well for the doubtless horrible monsters you represent.
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| Re: Definitional dispute. |
Sun, 25 November 2012 22:14 |
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Marduk wrote on Sun, 25 November 2012 18:59My personal definition of "at war" is: it is after the year 2400, I am in the same game with another race, and we aren't allied. The war might not currently involve shooting, but that doesn't mean I am not "at war". And really, it is up to you. It takes two to tango, but only one to wage war. If you say you are at war with him, that makes it true.
Same here.
If you look at Stars the other way around... I've heard rumours about some alien life forms out there who believe in a natural state of peace... If both parties don't want war, they will not find a casus belli but a reason to settle the disputes peacefully.
And if that's not the case but one party looks for a casus belli, one will find one.
Every other further discussion is about the diplomacy game some wicked people are so happy to play, sigh, instead of letting the lasers speak for themselves, o joy.
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| Re: Definitional dispute. |
Mon, 26 November 2012 04:26 |
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| m.a@stars |
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Said dispute must probably be one of the oldest, not only for Stars! but for any lifeforms, ever. 
Marduk wrote on Sun, 25 November 2012 18:59If you say you are at war with him, that makes it true.
And the rest, as they say, is History. 
Altruist wrote on Mon, 26 November 2012 04:14I've heard rumours about some alien life forms out there who believe in a natural state of peace... If both parties don't want war, they will not find a casus belli
All too frequent also, even if it would seem unlikely in a strategically-minded wargame of galactic conquest and domination such as Stars! 
[Updated on: Mon, 26 November 2012 04:27]
So many Stars, so few Missiles!
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| Re: Definitional dispute. |
Mon, 26 November 2012 06:59 |
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War is just a word.
You could say this thread is your latest shot in the war of words you and eagle are having.
It would seem you attempt to prove that you are not at war because his point of view is that it isnt a war.
Maybe you try to stop the "war" before it begins by convincing him it isnt a war?
If he agrees that it isnt a war, then he turns up with warships and troops to land on your colonies & if they shout out "Hey we arent at war remember! Stop now!"
Do you think they will stop?
That should be all the answer you need.
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