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NAP Breaker or not? Wed, 22 February 2012 22:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ashlyn is currently offline Ashlyn

 
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I took Slim's name out of the Title. Not that there isn't 4 pages of it.. but it no longer appears in the Bar that way.

I think we've all shared our opinions and I keep reading the same things over and over again.. i think we all get the point.

We're not here to publicly flame anyone, and I think it may be getting out of hand.

The topic can continue, if it must, but lets concentrate more on rules, NAPs and interpretations of such and less on slamming Slim and Mac.



Peace out.

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Re: NAP Breaker or not? Thu, 23 February 2012 09:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ashlyn wrote on Thu, 23 February 2012 04:50

I took Slim's name out of the Title. Not that there isn't 4 pages of it.. but it no longer appears in the Bar that way.

I think we've all shared our opinions and I keep reading the same things over and over again.. i think we all get the point.

We're not here to publicly flame anyone, and I think it may be getting out of hand.

The topic can continue, if it must, but lets concentrate more on rules, NAPs and interpretations of such and less on slamming Slim and Mac.

Peace out.


Well done.

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Re: NAP Breaker or not? Thu, 23 February 2012 11:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, since I ignored M@star ages ago because I think all he does is trolling and spamming, I see nothing more to reply to since about 2 pages.

I think it sums it up pretty well.



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Re: NAP Breaker or not? Thu, 23 February 2012 11:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ashlyn wrote on Thu, 23 February 2012 04:50

I took Slim's name out of the Title. Not that there isn't 4 pages of it.. but it no longer appears in the Bar that way.

I think we've all shared our opinions and I keep reading the same things over and over again.. i think we all get the point.

We're not here to publicly flame anyone, and I think it may be getting out of hand.

The topic can continue, if it must, but lets concentrate more on rules, NAPs and interpretations of such and less on slamming Slim and Mac.



Peace out.

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Re: NAP breaker or not ? Thu, 23 February 2012 16:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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AlfredWAB wrote on Wed, 22 February 2012 22:38

I think you are entirely wrong on this point Iztoc. I completely disagree with your trying to ruin someones character over this incident in this game.

If you read my post again, I'm NOT trying to ruin Slimdragon. I haven't written a single bad word about his person, I merely described how I will deal with him in a game. What do you find wrong with that? Contrary to what he's accused to do, is propaganda a widely accepted part of the game. Wink

BR, Iztok


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Re: NAP breaker or not ? Fri, 24 February 2012 11:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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iztok wrote on Thu, 23 February 2012 22:15

[...]I'm NOT trying to ruin Slimdragon. I haven't written a single bad word about his person, I merely described how I will deal with him in a game. What do you find wrong with that? Contrary to what he's accused to do, is propaganda a widely accepted part of the game. Wink


Well, it would be certainly helpful to keep apart propaganda and a discussion about NAP-break or it gets as muddy as it happened in this thread.


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Re: NAP Breaker or not? Sat, 25 February 2012 18:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ashlyn wrote on Wed, 22 February 2012 22:50

I took Slim's name out of the Title. Not that there isn't 4 pages of it.. but it no longer appears in the Bar that way.

I think we've all shared our opinions and I keep reading the same things over and over again.. i think we all get the point.

We're not here to publicly flame anyone, and I think it may be getting out of hand.

The topic can continue, if it must, but lets concentrate more on rules, NAPs and interpretations of such and less on slamming Slim and Mac.

Peace out.


Thank you Ashlyn.



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Re: NAP Breaker or not? Sat, 25 February 2012 20:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, it would be certainly helpful to keep apart propaganda and a discussion about NAP-break or it gets as muddy as it happened in this thread.

I haven't noticed where the propaganda was in this thread but I completely agree. Propaganda should be restricted to game threads or emails relevant to the games in question.

Someone tried to propaganda me in this forum in the past but I kindly (re)directed them to the relevant private forum once I realized what it was.

Propaganda by definition is lies told specifically to mud someone name... It should have nothing to do with the parts of this forum which are about the players themselves rather than their action(s) in game.



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Re: NAP Breaker or not? Wed, 29 February 2012 08:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh just to add a small addendum/correction

In the battle that occurred BOTH players had battle orders that said attack enemies and neutral players - and both had each other set to Enemy OR Neutral.

A number of posters have assumed that the fight broke out due to Player A attacking Player B and Player C joining in to help Player B (who was set to Friend status).

In fact 3 players were at the location.
Player A's tactics would make him attack B and C
Player B's would make him attack A
Player C's would make him attack A



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Re: NAP Breaker or not? Thu, 01 March 2012 04:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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-> m.a@stars:

You seem to have missed the thrust of most of the outrage here.

You screw someone over in a game by breaking your NAP, that's one thing. He loses something in a game, you're less trusted in future games.

You entrap someone like this, you're a terrible person, because you're ruining another player's reputation to save your own from your misdeeds.

I can deal with backstabbers - you just have to be cautious. Someone, however, who's clearly willing to use NAPs to strangle people and ruin their reputations, is someone who is on my "spite kill list" for EVER. There is NO WAY IN HELL that I would form an NAP with someone like this, because I risk not only the game in question to a backstab, but my own reputation in future games if he manages a PR stunt.

It is pretty much THE gravest sin I could imagine being done in Stars!, and I say without irony that it is outright evil.


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Re: NAP Breaker or not? Thu, 01 March 2012 22:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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magic9mushroom wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 10:41

You seem to have missed the thrust of most of the outrage here.

Outrage? Are you sure you don't mean propaganda? Razz


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Someone, however, who's clearly willing to use NAPs to strangle people and ruin their reputations, is someone who is on my "spite kill list" for EVER. There is NO WAY IN HELL that I would form an NAP with someone like this, because I risk not only the game in question to a backstab, but my own reputation in future games if he manages a PR stunt.

Welcome to the club. Rolling Eyes

And the best of all you just said is that applies perfectly to Mac here. Congrats! Twisted Evil



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Re: NAP Breaker or not? Thu, 01 March 2012 22:51 Go to previous message
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So far, we've only heard one side of the story and even that side was incomplete with various people trying to fill in the gaps. I think any resulting outcome should be prefixed with "assuming all of the information is 100% accurate and there was nothing omitted..."

m.a@stars wrote

Are you sure you don't mean propaganda? Razz


m.a@stars wrote

that applies perfectly to Mac here.


I totally agree with m.a. here. I really don't see any reason for the original post other than a PR campaign. NAPs get broken right and left in virtually every game. Alliances get broken too and that causes much more damage. However, I haven't seen a single thread complaining about those things like this one.

Anyone who hides behind a NAP thinking they have nothing to worry about is asking for trouble. Breaking a NAP is a tool. Some people use it, some people don't. No need to make a big deal out of it.



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