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Technology Prorating Fri, 27 January 2012 20:33 Go to next message
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A question for the experts: if you are 90% of the way to getting a tech level (for example tech 9 almost 10) and then receive the level thru combat or MT or trade do you get placed at 90% done of the new level ( previous example becoming tech 10 almost 11) or is the extra lost?


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Re: Technology Prorating Fri, 27 January 2012 20:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You don't get a tech level, you get resources needed to get from your current level to the next. So if you need 1000 resources to get from 9 to 10, you get 1000 resources. If you only have 20 resources left to reach 10, you still get 1000 resources, but 980 are applied towards getting level 11.

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Re: Technology Prorating Fri, 27 January 2012 22:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think you simply keep the resources already gathered in the current level you were researching.

So, for example your current level need 1000res and the next need 1200res. You already have 800res accumulated. If you get a level up, you'll still have 800res accumulated toward the next level (800 out of 1200).



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Re: Technology Prorating Sat, 28 January 2012 01:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eagle of Fire wrote on Sat, 28 January 2012 09:05

I think you simply keep the resources already gathered in the current level you were researching.

So, for example your current level need 1000res and the next need 1200res. You already have 800res accumulated. If you get a level up, you'll still have 800res accumulated toward the next level (800 out of 1200).


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Re: Technology Prorating Sat, 28 January 2012 04:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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nmid wrote on Fri, 27 January 2012 23:28



I select door B too.



Umm they are both the same answer....just stated differently




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Re: Technology Prorating Sat, 28 January 2012 09:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Great, that's exactly what I needed to hear. I appreciate it.


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Re: Technology Prorating Sat, 28 January 2012 10:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If what I said was the same than Braindead then I understood nothing of what he said... Confused


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Greenstink wrote on Sat, 28 January 2012 14:46

nmid wrote on Fri, 27 January 2012 23:28



I select door B too.



Umm they are both the same answer....just stated differently




I didn't think so, even after reading your comment.
Almost replied saying so, but then retread from brain dead said.
It is the same thing... Or the booze is making it seem simpler to understand now zzzz.



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Re: Technology Prorating Sun, 29 January 2012 04:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As I understand what has been written here people are saying that gaining a tech level where some research has been done already preserves the research done already, but as far as I remember it that is not the case. As I remember it getting tech levels from the MT preserves the research already done, but getting tech levels from combat or tech trade does not, getting tech levels from combat or tech trade places the receiver with just research enough points to reach the tech level in question.

I could be mistaken, though.



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craebild wrote on Sun, 29 January 2012 15:15

As I understand what has been written here people are saying that gaining a tech level where some research has been done already preserves the research done already, but as far as I remember it that is not the case. As I remember it getting tech levels from the MT preserves the research already done, but getting tech levels from combat or tech trade does not, getting tech levels from combat or tech trade places the receiver with just research enough points to reach the tech level in question.

I could be mistaken, though.


No you are right...
I thought we all were talking about only the MT. I realise no one made that distinction though.

>getting tech levels from the MT preserves the research already done
> getting tech levels from combat or tech trade (gives only the remaining resources to gain the tech level, with no carry forward to the next tech level).



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I always thought that when you gain tech from battle or gaining a planet you simply got a random amount of fixed RP to add to your current pool.

Akin to when you find an artifact on a planet and "get x res in field y"...



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Killed my idea of leapfrogging tech Sad


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sprocket wrote on Tue, 31 January 2012 06:06

Killed my idea of leapfrogging tech Sad


With six tech fields, I'm sure you will still settle for an alternative exchange program... Smile



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One thing that can be useful to know here is that if your next field to research is set to be something else, then all of your "extra" resources are going to be applied to the new field.

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nmid wrote on Sun, 29 January 2012 11:05

>getting tech levels from the MT preserves the research already done
> getting tech levels from combat or tech trade (gives only the remaining resources to gain the tech level, with no carry forward to the next tech level).

That doesn't match my experience. Research already done carries over and is not "lost" regardless of the provenance of the tech level(s) gained. Rolling Eyes

"Leapfrogging" is also possible. You can research to within a few Resources of a given level, then receive it from someone else, and find yourself within another few Resources of the next level, which enables you to reach it quickly enough to give it to those who gave you the earlier level. Cool



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m.a@stars wrote on Tue, 31 January 2012 07:33

nmid wrote on Sun, 29 January 2012 11:05

>getting tech levels from the MT preserves the research already done
> getting tech levels from combat or tech trade (gives only the remaining resources to gain the tech level, with no carry forward to the next tech level).

That doesn't match my experience. Research already done carries over and is not "lost" regardless of the provenance of the tech level(s) gained. Rolling Eyes

"Leapfrogging" is also possible. You can research to within a few Resources of a given level, then receive it from someone else, and find yourself within another few Resources of the next level, which enables you to reach it quickly enough to give it to those who gave you the earlier level. Cool


A high chance that I'm putting my foot in my mouth, but I've been hurt in FA7 due to missed self research and gaining a tech from tech scrappers...and thus loosing out 97%-99% of my research investment.
I'll check again this weekend.



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nmid wrote


>getting tech levels from the MT preserves the research already done
> getting tech levels from combat or tech trade (gives only the remaining resources to gain the tech level, with no carry forward to the next tech level).

I agree with m.a. - I think all of the above situations are treated the same way. Should be easy enough to test.

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"Leapfrogging" is also possible. You can research to within a few Resources of a given level, then receive it from someone else, and find yourself within another few Resources of the next level, which enables you to reach it quickly enough to give it to those who gave you the earlier level.


No such thing as free lunch. You still have to do the research.

One thing I'm not sure about is what happens if you get a tech level in a side field after you've started researching and before you gain a level from MT/scrapping/etc. There might be some potential for "free" research resources.

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Braindead wrote on Tue, 31 January 2012 08:13

nmid wrote


>getting tech levels from the MT preserves the research already done
> getting tech levels from combat or tech trade (gives only the remaining resources to gain the tech level, with no carry forward to the next tech level).

I agree with m.a. - I think all of the above situations are treated the same way. Should be easy enough to test.

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"Leapfrogging" is also possible. You can research to within a few Resources of a given level, then receive it from someone else, and find yourself within another few Resources of the next level, which enables you to reach it quickly enough to give it to those who gave you the earlier level.


No such thing as free lunch. You still have to do the research.

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Perhaps I should lay off my late night bed reply posts, but aren't you contradicting yourself in the 2 replies?



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nmid wrote

aren't you contradicting yourself in the 2 replies?

Don't think so. I agreed that the various methods of getting tech outside of your own research are treated the same way. What you don't get is any extra resources on top of the free tech level and the resources you've contributed to research.

Compare this with the following:
1. you get 99% of level X researched
2. you get level X from MT/tech trade/etc
3. you get to 99% of level X+1

Here you got free resources - the difference between 99% of level X+1 and 99% of level X.

And I also just checked, you don't get free research if you get a level in another field.

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nmid wrote on Tue, 31 January 2012 03:07

missed self research and gaining a tech from tech scrappers...and thus loosing out 97%-99% of my research investment.

Again, doesn't match my experience. In that situation you should find yourself 97%-99% close to the *next* techlevel. Cool

Unless it was all appied to the "Next Field to Research" of course. Rolling Eyes



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Braindead wrote on Tue, 31 January 2012 03:43

No such thing as free lunch. You still have to do the research.

One thing I'm not sure about is what happens if you get a tech level in a side field after you've started researching and before you gain a level from MT/scrapping/etc. There might be some potential for "free" research resources.

Hmmm, what do you exactly mean by "free"? Sherlock



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Braindead wrote on Tue, 31 January 2012 04:41

What you don't get is any extra resources on top of the free tech level and the resources you've contributed to research.

There's been cases where the MT seemed to do just that. It might have been some "random" leftover of the gazzillion Resources it was giving, but I don't remember anyone coming up with the exact explanation of what was happening in these cases. Sherlock


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1. you get 99% of level X researched
2. you get level X from MT/tech trade/etc
3. you get to 99% of level X+1

Here you got free resources - the difference between 99% of level X+1 and 99% of level X.

Of course not. Level X+1 being clostlier than level X, the 99% (a.k.a "a few") Resources to X would only reach up to 98%, or 97%, or 96% (a.k.a "another few") of the Resources needed to reach level X+1. my 2 cents



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